What happened to the beer and poker thread. eh? EH?

[WarBwastardo]

[Mikeyboy9361]

I feel that the APAT response should be posted as should Noe"s apology. I personally didn"t see or here any of her indiscretions, but they obviously offended a few, and as such an apology would be nice for the people concerned. Scouse stood up and admitted he was out of order and apologised for any offence caused. Noe should do the same, and then everyone can move on.

[gary]

i missed apats official response and would like to know what it was, so could you please repost it or pm it to me des, thanks

[cincicrappykid]

+1

[Baldus New]

It would be good to see APAT's response, so that if anyone steps over the mark in future, we all know what we can do and what procedure to follow, so hopefully everything can be resolved early and with the minimum of disruption.

[scouse3465]

I think the response should be back up so people can see it but obviously up to you Des.
And i will like to publically say thank you to all who as wished me well and no hard feelings to an incident which i regret but do believe was not as bad as `certain people ` made it out to be. Shame these certain people never get past the instant opinion they form!
See you all in Dublin !!
(By the way to all those i upset some deeply when beer was offered , it dont roll over lol )
And the whole thing now has been dealt with by Des and should be left cos it has been inflated massively

[duncthehat]

Dissapointed the official response was taken down.  As i did want to know the official response to a matter that I feel should have been dealt with on the night by the Casino in particular not necessarily APAT,  have had to trawl the net to actually find the details.   In doing so found some remarks on the Bristol & South West Poker Group that to me were more offensive and disgusting than anything that happened on saturday.

I really hope the posters take a good look at what they have written and evaluate whether they want to be part of APAT

[duncthehat]

"Moderator discussion" what the hell"s that?

Last time I read the thread, Des had posted the "official" response to the weekends shenanigans and the sanctions imposed, inviting further discussions if appropriate I believe.

Now its gone...... Hmmmmmmmmm

Tankman I notice the following post from you on the Bristol SW forum :

Interesting...... they appear to have "moved" the beer and poker thread and locked it. This was following APAT's official statement on what happened at the weekend and their ridiculous decisions regarding the players involved...

Yet your on Meet up groups rules are stated clearly

"CONDUCT CODE

The house will attempt to maintain a pleasant environment for all players, but is not responsible for the conduct of any player. We have established a code of conduct and may deny play to anyone who violates it. Any player which has been disqualified will not have the entry fee refunded. The following is not permitted:

Collusion with any other player or any type or form of cheating.
Verbally or physically threatening anyone.
Drunken and abusive players will be asked to leave.
Creating a disturbance by arguing, shouting, or making excessive noise.
Throwing, tearing, bending, or crumpling playing cards.
Destroying or defacing property.
Stealing or taking any chips which are not yours."

Surely APAT are only following your on Poker Groups code of Conduct which you as a member of that group adhere to?    Or is this a case of double standards?

[FirePhil]

"CONDUCT CODE

The house will attempt to maintain a pleasant environment for all players, but is not responsible for the conduct of any player. We have established a code of conduct and may deny play to anyone who violates it. Any player which has been disqualified will not have the entry fee refunded. The following is not permitted:

Collusion with any other player or any type or form of cheating.
Verbally or physically threatening anyone.
Drunken and abusive players will be asked to leave.
Creating a disturbance by arguing, shouting, or making excessive noise.
Throwing, tearing, bending, or crumpling playing cards.
Destroying or defacing property.
Stealing or taking any chips which are not yours."

Surely APAT are only following your on Poker Groups code of Conduct which you as a member of that group adhere to?    Or is this a case of double standards?

If they had asked Noe to leave on Saturday that would probably have been accepted. I didn"t see anything that would be seen as abusive (nor could I see Noe ever being like that) but if people were genuinely offended then fair enough.

A year ban after the fact when nothing was done at the time is what the issue is IMO.

Edit: Yeah some of the comments on the B&SW board weren"t exactly well worded, just heat of the moment resonses to what we all feel is unnecessarily harsh treatment of one of our most popular members.

[TankmanDan]

Dunc, you yourself said this:

a matter that I feel should have been dealt with on the night by the Casino in particular not necessarily APAT,  

Which is in complete agreement with my argument on the subject. You play in a casino, by casino rules, with the casino enforcing them.

Your rather cute and somewhat anal decision to then quote the "meetup code of conduct" at me is deliberately provocative but completely irrelevant.
It is a code of conduct for Meetup games which are 99% held in peoples private homes or a local venue that is not a casino. Obviously as a group we all know and respect each other and this very rarely becomes an issue, and when it does the matter is dealt with in an adult manner, taking into account the severity of the situation.

Yes, SOME of the comments on that thread were unacceptable and were borne out of the emotion of the situation and frustration at the way it has been subsequently handled. Some of the forum members are not as diplomatic and well-reasoned as others, this is the same on all forums I have ever come across including this one.

So, since I have put a bullet in the head of your high horse, you can climb down off it now and join the rest of us in reasoned debate.  

[AMRN]

Just read the B&SW thread - comments from a few (not all) posters are unfounded and out of order, and might even go as far as being slanderous. At the end of the day, if you people see APAT in such a negative light, just stay away from the APAT events - it"s not like you"ll be missed.

Should we also assume that as the B&SW forum thinks that APAT is run by nazis, you won"t be defending your APAT team title this year?

It"s a shame you can"t all be as reasonable as Noe was in her response.

[Mikeyboy9361]

Do I take it from the inferences that Noe has been banned for a year, and Scouse one event?

[duncthehat]

Quite like my high horse Tank think I will stay on it  

[MintTrav]

In doing so found some remarks on the Bristol & South West Poker Group that to me were more offensive and disgusting than anything that happened on saturday.

Absolutely - and they are talking about boycotting APAT. Good riddance, if that is what they are like, though there was some dissent on their forum to what was being said.

Do I take it from the inferences that Noe has been banned for a year, and Scouse one event?

That is what it has said on the Bristol, etc forum since yesterday. APAT wasn"t going to ban Scouse but he talked them into it to avoid all the drinks he would have to buy.

[Dingdell]

I think the problem here is that most people agree that there was an issue on some level but disagree with the time it took to apply any penalty.

The reasoning being "If it were that bad why didn"t someone do something about it at the time". Therefore people assume it can"t have been that bad as it wasn"t dealt with at the time.

I"m guessing that APAT (and I"m certainly not speaking on their behalf) wanted to be seen to be as fair as possible and give Noe as much chance as they could. I"m sure the last thign they wanted was to ban someone from the comp. In hindsight I don"t think she was in any state to take advice at the time, so their help and suggestions probably fell on deaf ears.

It"s a difficult one to call, certainly at Wimbledon a late line call causes more consternation that a speedy one. It doesn"t mean it"s wrong though.

If Noe and APAT have made their peace and are happy so be it and I do think that comments on another forum calling APAT Nazis is uncalled for.

As far as I can see Noe is upset as all she has wanted to do is fit in and she is eliciting sympathy from other forum users. I think getting drunk and making a spectacle of yourself is a strange way of trying to fit in.