APAT Welsh Amateur Championship - Discussion

[Chipaccrual]

2nd place just means you"re the best loser.

Why would you want to be a loser?

That seems a bit harsh Jon.

I agree that everyone should be focused on winning an APAT tourney, but if you asked anyone that cashed at Walsall if they considered themselves losers, I would be surprised if any agreed with you.

The only losers at an APAT event are those unfortunate not to be able to get a seat.  And they are not losers really, they just lost out on a great experience.  

[Jon MW]

TWFTW IMO

[RioRodent]

2nd place just means you"re the best loser.

Why would you want to be a loser?

Does this mean you will be removing "2007 WSOP Razz 13/341" from your signature?

Why would anyone advertise the fact they were 12th-best loser?

[SirPercival]

My opinion for what it"s worth.

I was playing for the win at the final table. This was evident when my large stack went all-in against Steve"s large stack AK v 99. Steve won the hand and I was crippled.

At this point however there were 4 left and I was then playing for Bronze. I was well in the red zone but folding given that Noe was still playing for the win at that point. My strategy was correct in that Noe was knocked out and I secured 3rd minimum. At that point I could play for the win again.

The point I"m making is that it is too simple to say "play for the win at all times" it really depends on the circumstances at the time.

As for being a loser? I beat 202 players, WON a bronze medal, WON £1250, made some new friends, had a lot of fun, played good poker and even made it to TV. Nah - that doesn"t make me a loser!

[Chipaccrual]

Does this look like a loser ?

[SirPercival]

some would say yes, but what about this?

[Chipaccrual]

Looks like a winner to me.

[Chelsea]

Does this look like a loser ?

looks like quite a few things....but not a looser

[Jon MW]

2nd place just means you"re the best loser.

Why would you want to be a loser?

Does this mean you will be removing "2007 WSOP Razz 13/341" from your signature?

Why would anyone advertise the fact they were 12th-best loser?

To remind myself of the failure as inspiration to try harder.

[George2Loose]

I think what Neil is trying to say is by not having a payout structure which ladders it takes away some of the psychology of the situation and leads to people gambling cos there"s no extra jump in prizes

[Bigfella42]

2nd place just means you"re the best loser.

Why would you want to be a loser?

I wanna be a loser like that Ivan Demidov

[bigredders]

I think what Neil is trying to say is by not having a payout structure which ladders it takes away some of the psychology of the situation and leads to people gambling cos there"s no extra jump in prizes

i see the point..u might as well come 9th if your gonna come 4th..surely then it becomes a gambling situation. one of the things i did wrong when i made the final table was to not adjust to the fact there was no ladder principle. I just then got short stacked and shoved in with rubbish!

as usual!

[GAWA9]

The prize structure is the worst thing about APAT imo, not that I"m gonna stop playing or anything but it could definitely be improved. If the FT is played optimally by everyone (Which I admit I wasn"t even close to in Walsall) then it should be a complete gamble fest, which given the deep stack nature of the weekend rather detracts from the brilliant blind structure.

[kaysing]

Quote from: George2Loose on March 04, 2009, 10:05:37 pm
I think what Neil is trying to say is by not having a payout structure which ladders it takes away some of the psychology of the situation and leads to people gambling cos there"s no extra jump in prizes

It certainly influenced my play at  last years final table.  That and the knowledge I had a long drive home in some fairly awful conditions!  No such pressure this time around - booked into the Future Inn for Sat and Sun night.  A graduated payout structure at the final table would enhance play but would also contribute to a later finish than we already have with the current structure.  As mentioned previously people do have day jobs - and the overall tourney structure is excellent  for a £75 buy in.

Dave

[Jon MW]

2nd place just means you"re the best loser.

Why would you want to be a loser?

I wanna be a loser like that Ivan Demidov

I was talking to Annette a while back, and funnily enough this topic didn"t come up. Nor did Ivan Demidov, or in fact anything remotely related to this subject.












Actually I"ve completely forgotten what point I was going to make there.