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mal666

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Re: 99
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2009, 00:51:07 AM »


Dunno about the levels but in most sngs I play you usually will get it heads up in this spot or take the blinds which isn"t bad with a hand like 99


I doubt you play many $5-$20 Sngs..... and that was the subject of the OP.     At least 2 callers most of the time, followed by more spewage on the flop when we c-bet/fold.

I really dont agree with this, ime L1

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Re: 99
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2009, 11:10:44 AM »
Why fold to a raise........ thats when u wanna set..pref to someones o/pair.... that is HOW you get paid and will provide all the implies odds you need !!! if you miss, u lose say 5% of your stack whici is pretty meaningless at this early stage....
really depends on the buyin/site too......
i had an allin preflop in a $12 game last night called by 4/9 players on table... I had QQ,  initial raiser had kq, 2 callers pre had a2 suited and j 9 suited....... and no i didnt win :) makes you think tho.....





I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat


trouble is you"re almost always gonna get a call cos it"s cheap, then you have to play the flop oop with a marginal hand.

i would limp and set mine, or fold pre to any raise unless multiple callers to give some implied value

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Re: 99
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2009, 14:47:00 PM »
Damn fine question with some very interesting and varied answers. Which is good or we"d all be transparent.
Think I"m limping in here at this stage etc.
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Re: 99
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2009, 17:16:48 PM »

Why fold to a raise........ thats when u wanna set..pref to someones o/pair.... that is HOW you get paid and will provide all the implies odds you need !!! if you miss, u lose say 5% of your stack whici is pretty meaningless at this early stage....
really depends on the buyin/site too......
i had an allin preflop in a $12 game last night called by 4/9 players on table... I had QQ,  initial raiser had kq, 2 callers pre had a2 suited and j 9 suited....... and no i didnt win :) makes you think tho.....





I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat


trouble is you"re almost always gonna get a call cos it"s cheap, then you have to play the flop oop with a marginal hand.

i would limp and set mine, or fold pre to any raise unless multiple callers to give some implied value



In a sit and go I"d fold 99 1st level to a re raise
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Re: 99
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2009, 20:09:41 PM »
In a sit and go I"d fold 99 1st level to a re raise
Totally correct, there is no price to set mine here! Raising 99 L1 is spewy alone but i dont mind it from s1 or s2 as most peeps will give respect and pass. So making it 90 L1 S1/S2

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Re: 99
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2009, 20:16:22 PM »

In a sit and go I"d fold 99 1st level to a re raise
Totally correct, there is no price to set mine here! Raising 99 L1 is spewy alone but i dont mind it from s1 or s2 as most peeps will give respect and pass. So making it 90 L1 S1/S2


early doors is where you get the best price to set mine... the implied odds if you hit your set are huge.

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Re: 99
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2009, 20:50:47 PM »
would be interesting posting this on blonde seeing what longy/tank say. Pretty sure they fold to a rr with 99 l1 or 2
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Re: 99
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2009, 09:16:15 AM »

would be interesting posting this on blonde seeing what longy/tank say. Pretty sure they fold to a rr with 99 l1 or 2

I never finished my post but this is exactly what i was saying. Basically your going to end up with 270$ in pre @ L1 out of a 1500$ stack, this is a huge mistake.
(The multi tabling nit regs would just pass this pre)

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Re: 99
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2009, 11:12:13 AM »
This very hand last night in a $5 SNG, UG I raised to 4 x BB, my thinking fairly similar to Steves is that I am hoping to get rid of the junk hands, and am aware that I will get called by good aces and other pairs, and hopefully not re raised! As it happened I had two callers and flopped a set on a low board, I checked the flop as did the 2 callers turn was a K and am now hoping it has hit someone so check again, bet and two callers happy days, river Ace, I bet the pot, one fold and the button calls and flips AK.
So big pot early on and sets me up for the tournament (finished 2nd) . I know the button played it horribly, well he did IMO, but when you hit your set....
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Re: 99
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2009, 15:39:48 PM »


would be interesting posting this on blonde seeing what longy/tank say. Pretty sure they fold to a rr with 99 l1 or 2

I never finished my post but this is exactly what i was saying. Basically your going to end up with 270$ in pre @ L1 out of a 1500$ stack, this is a huge mistake.
(The multi tabling nit regs would just pass this pre)


which is exactly the reason why i said I would limp rather than open-raise with this hand in this spot in this tourney in this level!!!  QED limp is best in this spot - if someone makes standard raise after you, it costs only 60 or 80 to see the flop, and the implied odds are good.