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A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« on: August 24, 2009, 22:30:24 PM »
This one has been bugging me today - looking for opinions.

250 seat MTT, $22 buy in. $1350 to 1st, $825 for 2nd, $625 for 3rd, $400 for 4th, $350 for 5th.

Down to last 5 and I have around 75k. Three others have around 80k, and the chip leader has 140k. Blinds are 1200/2400 (no ante).

Chip Leader is a loose gambler, happy to get his whole stack with amazing regularity. UTG opens for 2.5xBB raises often, but folds to re-raises many times.

I have a really good feel for the other 4 players, and have not made any mistakes in the tourney so far - playing well. Stack are plenty deep enough to allow loads of play for quite a while yet - I am shortest stack but have 31xBB!

So, to the hand in question. I am in the BB with JJ. UTG opens for 6000 (2.5xBB)..... I am already planning my re-raise knowing that he folds to 3-bets often....... BUT, the chip leader does his party trick and shoves for 140k.

Chip Leader has knocked out the previous final table players in the past dozen hands, mostly with preflop action. He has shown AK, 99, A9, 77, QQ.

So...... what would you do? Fold the JJ and wait for chance to get chips in first? OR, call knowing your ahead of his range and perhaps giving yourself a tourney winning stack, but risking your tourney with a hand that may be racing or dominated?


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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 22:32:33 PM »
Snap.

4th best hand - if he has better - that"s just unlucky.
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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 22:42:51 PM »
I hate to say it, but what he said.    ???

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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2009, 23:03:36 PM »

Chip Leader is a loose gambler, happy to get his whole stack with amazing regularity.


^^^^^
this


UTG opens for 2.5xBB raises often, but folds to re-raises many times.


^^^^
+this

= I think you know.....

easy call for me and you as well, I suspect

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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 23:04:09 PM »

I hate to say it, but what he said.    ???


what they said

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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 23:30:20 PM »
fold- by virtue of this thread he has one of the best 3 hands in poker

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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2009, 23:41:09 PM »

fold- by virtue of this thread he has one of the best 3 hands in poker

50p pls :D


we don"t know if he called yet though!

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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2009, 23:45:16 PM »

fold- by virtue of this thread he has one of the best 3 hands in poker

50p pls :D


no he didn"t, and no it"s not a bad beat whinge.

I figured I was ahead of most of his range, and of course I snap called. He had AQo and hit an Ace. not bothered about that - I lost a race and have no problem.

My wife was watching and questioned the call..... which got me thinking. If the stacks were a little shallower I wouldn"t have thought twice about it.... but on reflection I couldn"t help thinking that folding there (which would have seen a call from the UTG raiser with 10-10 (apparently) and laddered me another spot) would have left me with 30xBB and loads of time and room to play.

For the record though, calling this every time.

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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2009, 00:02:50 AM »
30BB isn"t that deep, 5 handed.

If you hadn"t have called here and waited for a "better spot" the CL would have run over the table and your "better spot" would probably have put you back to square one at best



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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2009, 00:55:43 AM »

30BB isn"t that deep, 5 handed.

If you hadn"t have called here and waited for a "better spot" the CL would have run over the table and your "better spot" would probably have put you back to square one at best






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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2009, 11:01:25 AM »


fold- by virtue of this thread he has one of the best 3 hands in poker

50p pls :D


no he didn"t, and no it"s not a bad beat whinge.

I figured I was ahead of most of his range, and of course I snap called. He had AQo and hit an Ace. not bothered about that - I lost a race and have no problem.

My wife was watching and questioned the call..... which got me thinking. If the stacks were a little shallower I wouldn"t have thought twice about it.... but on reflection I couldn"t help thinking that folding there (which would have seen a call from the UTG raiser with 10-10 (apparently) and laddered me another spot) would have left me with 30xBB and loads of time and room to play.

For the record though, calling this every time.


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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2009, 12:31:13 PM »
???

Thread title =  A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?

Your quote =  "For the record though, calling this every time."

So why was it bugging you ??????

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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2009, 13:40:52 PM »
5 handed with JJ - i would need a ninja read to fold
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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2009, 13:59:57 PM »

???

Thread title =  A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?

Your quote =  "For the record though, calling this every time."

So why was it bugging you ??????


What was bugging me was.... is the call a leak? Yes I"m always calling here, but is that necessarily the correct play. General feedback suggests it is, but I"m still not convinced that calling your stack off against a raise and a re-raise is always correct given that you are likely to be dominated or racing at best.   Still calling though.

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Re: A hand that has been bugging me... opinions?
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2009, 14:19:55 PM »
You would have to feel like you had a HUGE edge on the table to fold here imo.

Snap call for me