APAT Season Four - Pre Launch Discussion

[Chipaccrual]

Also I add my support to the suggestion about a Sunday 1 day tournament, I think this is a cracking idea and would be a success.

fwiw, I agree. Des, I and the team will discuss it. Soon.

You"ve been hanging round with Des way too much.  

[bigredders]

welcome to the "can"t please everyone thread"  

here"s my two-penneth worth

the online league was a fantastic intro... maybe instead of cities you could have counties, with the bigger counties split up to make the teams more even... also give players individual rewards in some way to keep them playing.

would love the online champs to be on a sun instead of a sat, but not sure that is sustainable for people going to work etc....think you just lose quite a lot of people due to socialising and family stuff on a saturday night.

As regards to choosing apat teams it is so hard to choose from such a volume of players...remember players that have won tournaments are not always the better players...examples been john murray and simon aukland. IMO consistancy in these tournaments is far better than a flash in the pan win... i like leigh"s idea in the current choosing of the apat team in having wildcard picks...it means everyone then gets a chance to represent the team.

Agree in having a second tournament on a sunday but if ranking points were introduced they should be no more than half you accumulate in the main event, otherwise it would devalue the ME.

finally the ME structure...im going to be the one who says it... I HATE ANTE"S!!! now before i get replies saying that they hate tight/nitty players, anybody who knows or has played with me on a regular basis knows that i am neither of those. I am a creative player that likes to play flops....likes to play poker. IMO you get to the dinner break and it is pretty much shove fold from there. I know that antes are here to stay so maybe we could bring the 500-1000 level back(think walsall was just a freak) and maybe start the antes at the dinner break.

oh and a national abroad would be good, somewhere where it is cheap to fly to Barcelona, paris and amsterdam spring to mind

keep up the good work!

[daveyb147]

Like the idea of a sunday tourney,,,as others have said it makes the expense of hotels etc worthwhile if you get unlucky in the main events.Im sure the venues would like to be busy,  on wot may normally be be a quiet afternoon for them.I also believe these would get more support than running omaha or horse events as many amateurs dont know these games so well.
  Personally, i like the qualifying sats/buy ins etc, as they are.I used to think that the click fest was unfair but now realise,as someone has already stated,if you really want a seat,you can normally get one.
  With regard to the national league,,,i liked the format,,,dont really like the idea of divisions,,,keep it simple i say,,,everybody knew wot they were playing for and wot the end goal was...simple !!! The only thing that may need to be looked at is the numbers in each team as some teams had a big advantage in that department.
  Thanks for your efforts in season 3,,,,keep up the good work !!!!

[Chipaccrual]

I just want to give my thoughts on the plans for the Season 4 Online National League.  I know that the league is not for everyone, but when we discuss plans for a new season, we are always trying to listen to the players and tick as many of the boxes as we can.

Season 3 saw an average of 176 players register each matchday across the three division.  I hear what people have said about why numbers dropped, but that was always going to be the case.  The first two matchdays saw over 300 players registered.  That number was never going to be sustainable throughout the season for a number of reason.  Players get excited about a new season, they then get bored, perhaps their club is not as well supported, they forget about the matchdays.

We can address a number of those problems.

By shortening the league to 10 matchdays over a six month period (roughly) it will keep everyone involved longer with more of a short-term focus.

By moving the league to a 3-tier divisional structure with promotion and relagation means that we bring similar sized teams together (Not always, as some teams have disproved the number of players debate).  This makes all three divisions much more competitive.

By offering added value prizes for all divisional winners (With prizes being greater up the divisions) everyone gets to play for the added value or chance to get promoted to play for even better added value.  And there is the opportunity to offer added prizes to the top performing individuals.

By reviewing some of the lesser supported teams we can consider helping them to improve their clubs or look at alternative locations that may be able to replace and make the league even more competitive.


Just the thought that in 12 months time, we could have a team like Thanet (Who have a great core of quality players) earning back to back promotion and then taking on the big teams in the top division.  It"s got a good feel to it.

And who knows, in the future, we could have a league in every country in Europe and clubs could be playing for the APAT Online Champions League (You can have that one for free Des,   ) with potential even bigger added value.


Got to have a dream.  


Leigh

[Chipaccrual]

Oh, and have I mentioned my thoughts on an APAT Online "Ryder Cup Style" series of events.  

[JamieCarra]

welcome to the "can"t please everyone thread"  

here"s my two-penneth worth

the online league was a fantastic intro... maybe instead of cities you could have counties, with the bigger counties split up to make the teams more even... also give players individual rewards in some way to keep them playing.

would love the online champs to be on a sun instead of a sat, but not sure that is sustainable for people going to work etc....think you just lose quite a lot of people due to socialising and family stuff on a saturday night.

As regards to choosing apat teams it is so hard to choose from such a volume of players...remember players that have won tournaments are not always the better players...examples been john murray and simon aukland. IMO consistancy in these tournaments is far better than a flash in the pan win... i like leigh"s idea in the current choosing of the apat team in having wildcard picks...it means everyone then gets a chance to represent the team.

Agree in having a second tournament on a sunday but if ranking points were introduced they should be no more than half you accumulate in the main event, otherwise it would devalue the ME.

finally the ME structure...im going to be the one who says it... I HATE ANTE"S!!! now before i get replies saying that they hate tight/nitty players, anybody who knows or has played with me on a regular basis knows that i am neither of those. I am a creative player that likes to play flops....likes to play poker. IMO you get to the dinner break and it is pretty much shove fold from there. I know that antes are here to stay so maybe we could bring the 500-1000 level back(think walsall was just a freak) and maybe start the antes at the dinner break.

oh and a national abroad would be good, somewhere where it is cheap to fly to Barcelona, paris and amsterdam spring to mind

keep up the good work!

Antes from 25/50 ftw!

[nosey-p]

I'm all in favour of a 3 division league. But if you want an alternative, you could have all 30 teams playing in a single MTT. With say the top 20 getting points on the same basis as this year but may be extended to 5 places getting points. 1st getting 5 points down to 1, then after 10 games  the league would split into 3 leagues with  the top  10 in division 1 next 10 division 2 bottom 10 into division 3 playing for different prizes. It's not quit a promotion/ relegation system as each year all teams are in the same league. Plus they won't be any prizes after 10 games, so the league would be 20 games. But it would mean that at the beginning of the year, all will have a chance of the top prize. Just an idea but personally I would have the promotion/relegation every 10 games.      

[pables]

By reviewing some of the lesser supported teams we can consider helping them to improve their clubs or look at alternative locations that may be able to replace and make the league even more competitive.


Just the thought that in 12 months time, we could have a team like Thanet (Who have a great core of quality players) earning back to back promotion and then taking on the big teams in the top division.  It"s got a good feel to it.

And who knows, in the future, we could have a league in every country in Europe and clubs could be playing for the APAT Online Champions League (You can have that one for free Des,   ) with potential even bigger added value.


Got to have a dream.  


Leigh

In general I agree with this fantastic, well thought out and prepared post.
And now obviously as I am a great core, well part of a great core, I"ll put my hat in the ring for the APAT Team for January............... You can only say NO in so many ways  

PS did JB put u up to this post  

[jbworldwide]

By reviewing some of the lesser supported teams we can consider helping them to improve their clubs or look at alternative locations that may be able to replace and make the league even more competitive.


Just the thought that in 12 months time, we could have a team like Thanet (Who have a great core of quality players) earning back to back promotion and then taking on the big teams in the top division.  It"s got a good feel to it.

And who knows, in the future, we could have a league in every country in Europe and clubs could be playing for the APAT Online Champions League (You can have that one for free Des,   ) with potential even bigger added value.


Got to have a dream.  


Leigh

In general I agree with this fantastic, well thought out and prepared post.
And now obviously as I am a great core, well part of a great core, I"ll put my hat in the ring for the APAT Team for January............... You can only say NO in so many ways  

PS did JB put u up to this post  

lol no, if there was a great PLO core I might be in it, NLH has a bit of catching up to do   maybe final table in Luton will fix it.

[TopPair2Pair]

an online headsup doubles event wld be sexay....

Team 1 player 1 v Team 2 player 1
Team 1 player 2 v Team 2 player 2

If stalemate then Team 1 winner V Team 2 winner.


To complicate things even further you could make each round a HORSE event (I cant even play H properly so I dont know why I decided to instigate this carnage).

[cincicrappykid]

I'm all in favour of a 3 division league. But if you want an alternative, you could have all 30 teams playing in a single MTT. With say the top 20 getting points on the same basis as this year but may be extended to 5 places getting points. 1st getting 5 points down to 1, then after 10 games  the league would split into 3 leagues with  the top  10 in division 1 next 10 division 2 bottom 10 into division 3 playing for different prizes. It's not quit a promotion/ relegation system as each year all teams are in the same league. Plus they won't be any prizes after 10 games, so the league would be 20 games. But it would mean that at the beginning of the year, all will have a chance of the top prize. Just an idea but personally I would have the promotion/relegation every 10 games.      

isnt this basically what we have just done ?

[Foggy]

I?m all in favour of a 3 division league. But if you want an alternative, you could have all 30 teams playing in a single MTT. With say the top 20 getting points on the same basis as this year but may be extended to 5 places getting points. 1st getting 5 points down to 1, then after 10 games  the league would split into 3 leagues with  the top  10 in division 1 next 10 division 2 bottom 10 into division 3 playing for different prizes. It?s not quit a promotion/ relegation system as each year all teams are in the same league. Plus they won?t be any prizes after 10 games, so the league would be 20 games. But it would mean that at the beginning of the year, all will have a chance of the top prize. Just an idea but personally I would have the promotion/relegation every 10 games.      

isnt this basically what we have just done ?

Sometimes that quote could something about the "lights being on"

[Baldus New]

We need 4 day weekends and 1,000 seater casino"s, simples!!!!!!  

[nosey-p]

I'm all in favour of a 3 division league. But if you want an alternative, you could have all 30 teams playing in a single MTT. With say the top 20 getting points on the same basis as this year but may be extended to 5 places getting points. 1st getting 5 points down to 1, then after 10 games  the league would split into 3 leagues with  the top  10 in division 1 next 10 division 2 bottom 10 into division 3 playing for different prizes. It's not quit a promotion/ relegation system as each year all teams are in the same league. Plus they won't be any prizes after 10 games, so the league would be 20 games. But it would mean that at the beginning of the year, all will have a chance of the top prize. Just an idea but personally I would have the promotion/relegation every 10 games.      

isnt this basically what we have just done ?

No, we have just had a league were after about 10 games, people/teams lost interest because they had no chance of winning. But this way, after 10 games you basically start again from scratch but in 3 divisions playing for different prizes. I am not saying this is what I want, it's just an alternative to try and keep the interests going right through the year. And for those who said that they will not play next year if they are in division 3. I personally like the promotion/relegation way.      

[cincicrappykid]

by starting again it completely negates all the hard work people put into getting in to the top div , they would have to start again to get into top div again , if people dont want to play 3rd div then so be it  , but giving them another free go at it doesnt seem fair