Donkeyed cash hand?

[LongshanksED]

after watching a cash game after winning a pub tourney I decided to sit in ven though it was very loose and money was flying left right and centre. Straddles, double straddles were common, 7-2 was being played for 50p and a prop bet of 50p
per person if the worst hand pre flop improved to win the hand by the end of the river

so I sit on the button with my very first hand for £10 on a 10/20p blinds and announce if it"s limped to me I"m gonna raise the pot with any 2 hands (bit silly as really as anyone with aces it kings could take advantage)

usual straddle takes place and there"s 2 limpers for 40p straddle. Gets to me and I raise the pot £1.50 with a mighty 3-6 of spades. Blinds and original  straddle get out the way but the 2 limpers call

pre flop its now £5.20

it"s a juicy 45K flop with 5K of spades
player 1 checks
player 2 bets £1.50

now this looks like a value bet to me but it"s a little weak bet with my opened ended and flush draw I elect to call to see the turn one

Now it gets silly. Player 1 check raises to £4 then player 2 goes all
in for £30. Pot is now £42.20 but most I can win is £30 for my stack. I know hitting a 3 or 6 won"t win me then hand but I do have 8 cards to draw for the straight and 7 for the flush (can"t double count the 2 or 7 if spades) for 15 outs. I put one of them on a set and the other on either AK or AA,QQ

with £7 behind me, Pot us giving me £7 to win £30 which is a little over 4/1
my outs with 15 cards to draw from 52 is little over 3/1 so I call saying that i"m well behind but the odds cry me to call. Player 1 gets out the way showing JJ. Player 2 turns over K5 for two pair

turn is a blank but river is a 2 to give me the straight. And the 2 players in the hand go crazy at me.
HOW THE F##K can you raise with 36
HOW THE F##K can you call the flop bet

player2 I"m starting to know quite well and quite like. Friend of a friend (he was the guy in another thread I made about Omaha and didn"t really know what he was doing in an Omaha game and actually works as a dealer in a local casino)

now maybe I"m wrong but I explained to him afterwards when the game ended that post flop both their bad plays got me to call. Sure it was a stone bluff pre flop. But his bet of £1.50 on the flop was giving me the chance to call £1.50  to win £8.20. That"s 5/1 with my draws. Had he bet more, probably the pot or 3/4, then chances are I"d fold

but the way the hand evolved even though I was an underdog the odds were right to call. I didn"t like the call but the odds were there


Was I wrong, post flop on how this played?

Also I got a nice 50p bonus from each of the other 6 players in the hand for winning with the worst hand      

[Marty719]

Just shove on the flop wen player 2 bets £1.50.  Its ur dream flop - ur not gng newhr.  Wen u have 15 outs twice in a cash game - just get em in.

[deanp27]

is this just a story or do you really want advice as to how to play 50bb deep in a double straddled cash game with 36s?

as played this is the easiest flop jam ever in the history of poker. obv the easiest pass pre as well if it wasn"t for you just messing about

lol pub poker and players having a go and lol for listening to them

[LongshanksED]

I don"t need advice on the 36 pre flop. I know it was a bad play

especially when folk seem to defend any limped hands pre flop. I was critiaised for my move pre flop which I do understand but it was a stone called bluff. Unless I flopped 2 pair, trips or a monster draw then I was done with the hand

just unfortunate I flopped the monster draw

so best option Would be to just jam the flop instead of calling?  

[deanp27]

I don"t need advice on the 36 pre flop. I know it was a bad play

especially when folk seem to defend any limped hands pre flop. I was critiaised for my move pre flop which I do understand but it was a stone called bluff. Unless I flopped 2 pair, trips or a monster draw then I was done with the hand

just unfortunate I flopped the monster draw

so best option Would be to just jam the flop instead of calling?  

of course it would. get it in whilst you are an equity favourite. Being so shallow makes it an even easier decision which is why i said it was the easiest flop jam in the history of poker.

[AMRN]

just with respect to your odds calculation - you are correct that you have 15 outs of the flop (potentially - assuming both flush and straight draws are live) - but it"s far better than the 3:1 you stated...... 

there are 15 cards that will hit, and 32 that won"t - that"s 2:1.... then, given that you will be getting two more cards, your odds to hit are actually 1:1 or evens.  It"s a mandatory auto snap burn-your-fingers-on-the-felt call.

[Marty719]

It"s a mandatory auto snap burn-your-fingers-on-the-felt call.

That is a fast call!!!!!!  

[deanp27]

lol the flop should not be a call at all actually

[LongshanksED]

Is there an arguement on the other players hands and how they played them?

personally with the K5o. I wouldn"t have even played it from middle position even for a limped straddle?

Then the JJ- with my donkey announcement of a pot raise if it"s limped to me then surely he"d be rubbing his hands and looking to call the straddle if he knew I was gonna raise to then backraise me if no one else had raised by then. Or at least raise with JJ when he"s UTG+1 with others behind so not to let others the chance to outdraw him

thoughts?  

[LongshanksED]

lol the flop should not be a call at all actually

should it be fold or jam all in in your opinion

[deanp27]

lol the flop should not be a call at all actually

should it be fold or jam all in in your opinion

its not a fold either (easiest ever flop jam)

up to 60% equity + fold equity + loads of money (relatively speaking) in the pot = winner!

[Marty719]

lol the flop should not be a call at all actually

should it be fold or jam all in in your opinion

Yea - folding wud b ridiculously awful!!  Its a str8 4ward hand (after pre obv)!  Just b happy other ppl also played bad pre!  Get it in and rub ur hands on tht flop every day!!

[TopPair2Pair]

TopPair"s Excel spreadsheet "memorising thing" with conditionally formatting confirms that the odds are:
0.91 to 1    52.30% Flop to River
2.27 to 1    30.61% Flop to Turn
(2.20 to 1    31.25% Turn to River)
cudn"t resist a brag post, pm for a copy!  

In all honesty I don"t mind the flop call in this spot, its slightly leaky but I dont hate it with that much equity. In a casino its def shove all day. Against pub players they"ll prolly still give you the correct odds to call on turn as well or a free card.

With regards to K5o, two pair is the equivalent of a set in these pub games so his limp is fine by me as long as his played for two pair that is. Maybe i"ve been playing in these rubbish games too long tho.

[kinboshi]

You have to jam the flop.  If you don"t get all your chips in here it"s a mistake.  You need to see two cards, not one.  If you only see one, and then face a big bet, you might have to fold.

Also please either fold 36s pre-flop or sit with more than 50BBs.  

[JamieCarra]

Buy in a lot, you"ve literally got 25 straddles!  

Also If you want to get funky a raise to £1.50 after there"s been 2 limpers isn"t big enough, you should raising close to pot (£2.30)

And as others have said, shove over the top of the £1.50, if you  could hand pick a flop, this one is going to be pretty high up the list!