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Marty719

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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2009, 18:36:49 PM »

again marty in this situation , with NO reads we cannot put villain on a precise range..We get value pre flop by raising what we think is the best hand , post flop is a different story as now because we have no idea of villains style this logic that players have to cbet every flop to protect or get value is flawed..If the flop was dry J72 rainbow or K46 then the cbet is an ok choice imo,77 to JJ is a very small proportion of a randoms range , QQ most randoms will re-raise pre imo..
Sometimes depending on texture of flops,pot size,stack sizes,position and reads then the cbet is not a automatic line to take,our objectives imo should be flexible..
Try to get out of the mindset that villains should not call 75s,this is a far better hand to call with in this spot than 77-JJ as 75s is easier to play and has more opportunity to improve.





So u wud consider check/folding against villain?
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2009, 18:47:08 PM »
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2009, 20:50:47 PM »
Reason I would have folded is that on watchin him not a very experienced player and u just knew he had the nuts so to speak when he went all in, KK hard to put down but ????

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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2009, 21:26:41 PM »
lol at folding
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2009, 00:17:15 AM »

lol at folding


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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2009, 01:08:11 AM »
I"d understand a fold if the stacks were deeper, but here they are not and given how much you have put in, you have to call. As everyone else has said there are so many hands that are beaten that shove here
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2009, 01:23:30 AM »
He has a straight. We have one pair. Therefore he wins and we lose. We can lose more if we wish.

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Don"t shove; don"t lead; don"t check. As soon as the flop hits, just muck your cards. 
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2009, 12:57:46 PM »

He has a straight. We have one pair. Therefore he wins and we lose. We can lose more if we wish.

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Four of a Kind
Full House
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Three of a Kind
Two Pair
One Pair
High Card

Don"t shove; don"t lead; don"t check. As soon as the flop hits, just muck your cards. 


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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2009, 13:58:54 PM »
Reading this thread is really interesting so far as to people"s differing opinions of this hand, especially noble1"s

Even looking through all the advice on here I still think my chips are going in, although the smaller bet before the raise was maybe an option i would go for
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2009, 14:10:40 PM »

Reading this thread is really interesting so far as to people"s differing opinions of this hand, especially noble1"s

Even looking through all the advice on here I still think my chips are going in, although the smaller bet before the raise was maybe an option i would go for


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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2009, 14:48:01 PM »
Scorch marks on the felt from the speed you shove your chips across the line.

You"re miles ahead of his range here.
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2009, 15:24:11 PM »
original bet size is the only issue as it is too big and the thinking "i don"t mind taking the pot down here" is flawed. As for getting the chips in the middle with stack sizes there is hardly need for a long discussion about it in my opinion. Anyone who says fold is being results orientated
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2009, 15:27:31 PM »
Yea - folding is def wrong.  I actually dnt mind the $1000 on the flop tht much against sum1 only playing $3800.  Takes flatting away as an option for them, but still gives the illusion of some f/e.  Maybe sumwer around 700-800 mite get more ppl to ship, but regardless of what we r betting, it isnt to end the hand there, its to get all the chips in the middle while we run in circles naked fist-pumping.
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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2009, 15:36:18 PM »

original bet size is the only issue as it is too big

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the thinking "i don"t mind taking the pot down here" is flawed.

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Anyone who says fold is being results orientated

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Re: What do i do here?
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2009, 19:00:31 PM »
the thing is if you think somebody automatically has the nuts everytime a flop comes down, you really really should not be playing poker.

its a shortstacked tournament, there is no decision to make. Any kind of draws, overpairs, top pairs can be more than possible here