APAT tournament entry

[Waz1892]

My two pence worth.....i have a 50% win rate on the click fest.the other was my faut in that i was unaware of the Ctr F5 "secret".

What would be the issue with doing a draw for the seats instead of the clickfest. By simply putting in a few rules it could be worked out to be the fairest ways.

Say there is 80 seats available...At 9pm you "apply" to register for the event

APAT draw 1st 80 names.....Bulk e-mail..saying well done..pay link

YOU HAVE 24HRS TO PAY IN FULL VIA THE LINK..

In the initial draw of 80 players...APAT actually draw another (20/30/40..etc)

After the 24hrs, APAT contact the next 20/30/40 on the list, well done 24hr pay link.

Any not filled...can be used through the already existing reserve list...

Randon Draw...Equal for everyone
Roughly same timescale as Clickfest, at least no rela harm done time wise
More possible seats for those who make the effort for the reserve list on the day

Your thoughts....

[Jon MW]

You could go the whole year without getting a seat - but with a clickfest you won"t.

It would create a lot of extra work and bureaucracy for very little benefit, plus ill feeling from those who continually miss out and were always able to get a seat through the clickfest method.

[Waz1892]

agree it isn"t perfect...but it would be totally fair...100% to all people..and dependant on if you live in a dodgy area, no broadband. old Pc..etc..etc..

APAT should be available to all members for all the APAT tournaments regardless of location or RAM budget, Broadband connection....a draw is the only way I can think of that will allow this.

The odds (come on stat people) that you"d not get a seat for the whole year, i"m guess wouldn"t happen?..at the very least, with the people with connection issues, it 100% improves your chances..

A tricky one. and I suppose the clickfest works, makes life for the APAT a whole lot easier..so if it aint broke...

[Jon MW]

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The odds (come on stat people) that you"d not get a seat for the whole year, i"m guess wouldn"t happen?..

Say 1600 applications for 200 places.

Chances of not getting in 1:      87.5%
Chances of not getting in 2:      76.6%
Chances of not getting in 3:      67.0%
Chances of not getting in 4:      58.6%
Chances of not getting in 5:      51.3%
Chances of not getting in 6:      44.9%
Chances of not getting in 7:      39.3%
Chances of not getting in 8:      34.4%

So about 1 in 3 chance of never getting a seat, that"s better than a coinflip but it"s not very good  - and that"s assuming you can make every event.

I was only able to make 3 events in the first season - so that would mean a 2 in 3 chance of not being able to get in to any of the 3 I was able to get to.

[APAT]

It"s a fair suggestion but incredibly difficult to administer.  I am basing that on the experience of doing this at least twice - we trialled lots of entry methods in season one. 

An example.  You sell 80 seats and give everyone 24 hours to pay.  20 won"t.  Major remail to the reserves (2nd list).  10 don"t respond.  So you send 10 seats to the next reserve list (3rd list).  2 people come back from the original list.  1 claims the APAT email has only arrived with them.  The other claims they responded in plenty of time and they have bought their flight. It"s APAT's fault for not receiving their response.  Meanwhile, 2 people come back from the 2nd list claiming they were only a few hours late in responding, and stating how unreasonable APAT is.  And on. 

In this scenario APAT would go from disappointing people to seriously annoying them.  Not good. 

Bizarelly, the beneficiaries would be those who turned up at the venue, because it is nearly impossible to fill a tournament utilising this form of system and without seriously alienating your customers.

[HaworthBantam]

My personal favourite method was the one employed for the UK event last year.

Des informed the membership that the link would appear sometime between 9pm and 11pm on a particular date.

You REALLY had to want that seat to hit "reload" continuously during that period before the link appeared !! Just a pity the system crashed mid way through  

[kinboshi]

Funny thing is that it didn"t sell out that evening.  Seats were still available later in the week when they went on sale again (was that because of a system problem or lack of demand?).

I couldn"t make that one, at a sodding wedding.

[HaworthBantam]

System problem.

[APAT]

My personal favourite method was the one employed for the UK event last year.

Des informed the membership that the link would appear sometime between 9pm and 11pm on a particular date.

You REALLY had to want that seat to hit "reload" continuously during that period before the link appeared !! Just a pity the system crashed mid way through  

I dunno....we originally gave a 24 hour window......but pulled that back to two hours when members threatened to have a bean fest the night before the event.  I was particularly worried about Carl and Ger  

[FlyingPig73]

I have just typed an essay on this and its gone missing, dam post, not typing that again.

In a nutshell, the suppl

Not only did the little devil pull the lead, he bashed the keys on the laptop and 3 of them jumped of. I have been on the websites and they do go back on, but boy oh boy do you need super tiny fingers and lots and lots of patience.

All back on now and working you will all be glad to know.,.,.

Its my own downfall, I showed him Barney songs on youtube, and he now thinks the laptop is Barney Vision.

Note to those without kids - Barney is a big purple dinosaur.

Anyway off to bed will post what I was going to tomorrow.

[APAT]

Tell the truth Jimmy, you"ve been on the "meds" all day  

[kinboshi]

Tell the truth Jimmy, you"ve been on the "meths" all day  

FYP

[Waz1892]

Duly noted Jons stats (very good) and APAT response..I back down!!..it was just a thought..stoking the fire of debate..

[tinkerman]

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The odds (come on stat people) that you"d not get a seat for the whole year, i"m guess wouldn"t happen?..

Say 1600 applications for 200 places.

Chances of not getting in 1:      87.5%
Chances of not getting in 2:      76.6%
Chances of not getting in 3:      67.0%
Chances of not getting in 4:      58.6%
Chances of not getting in 5:      51.3%
Chances of not getting in 6:      44.9%
Chances of not getting in 7:      39.3%
Chances of not getting in 8:      34.4%

So about 1 in 3 chance of never getting a seat, that"s better than a coinflip but it"s not very good  - and that"s assuming you can make every event.

I was only able to make 3 events in the first season - so that would mean a 2 in 3 chance of not being able to get in to any of the 3 I was able to get to.

It doesn"t matter if you do it by a draw or a click feast, if it is fair then everybody has the same chance of getting a spot.  However, some people have more advantage for the click-feast so this will actually mean it less likely for somebody without the knowledge of winning the click-feast a much less chance of getting a spot.

Of course, you could do a draw but give people a weight depending on whether they were successful in the previous round.  For example everybody starts with a weight of 10.  All those that are successful in a draw have their weight for the next draw halved and those who entered the draw but unlucky not to get a spot have their weight doubled for the next draw.  Those not entering have their weight unaltered. ifsomebody wins a seat and doesn"t take it up then their wiethed is either halved or quartered.

This would enablemot pople to playt least one event per year

[RioRodent]

 However, some people have more advantage for the click-feast so this will actually mean it less likely for somebody without the knowledge of winning the click-feast a much less chance of getting a spot.

Could someone explain this statement... what is "the knowledge of winning a click-fest"?

The only thing I would change about the "click-fest" would be to sell the seats in two lots, at different times on different days.

This would ease the pain of those who -

• Can"t make Wed night.


• Can"t make 9.00pm.


• Had computer / ISP problems.


• and any number of other reasons for missing out...