OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS

[keith101]

Just want to point out first that i never ask to see people cards

however imo if i have called somebodies bet on the river then they should show their cards beause "i have called to see their cards" but if somebody has called my raise and i show the winning hand then i think it is pretty poor to ask to see their cards.

but like i said i never ask because it usually just slows the game up.

On another point i know that the TD in swanea has ruled if it goes check check on the river then both hands need to be shown even if you want to muck them, dont know why so it could be a funny weekend in swansea

[Paulie_D]

however imo if i have called somebodies bet on the river then they should show their cards beause "i have called to see their cards" but if somebody has called my raise and i show the winning hand then i think it is pretty poor to ask to see their cards.

I mentioned this elsewhere but strictly, you didn"t "call to see their cards". You called because you thought your hand was better than theirs. If they muck they"ve surrendered and you KNOW your hand was better than theirs.

Asking to gain information isn"t the purpose of the idea that anyone can ask to see a hand.

If I"m shown a winning hand when I call and choose to muck my hand and someone asks to see my hand they"ll get the response.."Why, do you think I"m cheating?".

[keith101]

however imo if i have called somebodies bet on the river then they should show their cards beause "i have called to see their cards" but if somebody has called my raise and i show the winning hand then i think it is pretty poor to ask to see their cards.

I mentioned this elsewhere but strictly, you didn"t "call to see their cards". You called because you thought your hand was better than theirs. If they muck they"ve surrendered and you KNOW your hand was better than theirs.

Asking to gain information isn"t the purpose of the idea that anyone can ask to see a hand.

If I"m shown a winning hand when I call and choose to muck my hand and someone asks to see my hand they"ll get the response.."Why, do you think I"m cheating?".

I wouldnt ask to see if the winning hand has been shown has been shown and as i said earlier it is good to know if someone three barrelled with air or if they just bluffed with a draw which you dont get to see if they muck their hand before you have shown your hand after you have called their bet

[Paulie_D]

as i said earlier it is good to know if someone three barrelled with air or if they just bluffed with a draw which you dont get to see if they muck their hand before you have shown your hand after you have called their bet

Of course you get it...they mucked. How much more do you need?

I repeat...Asking to gain information isn"t the purpose of the idea that anyone can ask to see a hand. The reason for it was to allow for collusion to be pointed out.

The only information, IMO, you are allowed, is...DO I GET THE POT?

Anyway, it doesn"t happen much at APAT events...opinions differ and I doubt anyone will change any minds here.

Best draw this thing to a close....

[RioRodent]

Checking hand histories is discreet.  If sum1 makes a huge bet in the late stages of a tourney w/ A high and gets called, it"s pretty d*cky to not just let them muck rather than rubbing salt in the wounds.

I"d let them muck their cards, and make sure they"re properly mucked, touching the muck, in the muck, gone forever, never to be seen again, well and truly mucked - and then I"ll turn my hand over.  Wouldn"t want them to be able to retrieve the winning hand.

You"re not still trying the old "Bluff Call" move are you Daniel?

[SirPercival]

As this seems to be a lively thread can I ask views on the same situation but the players shows his hand to the guy next to him before mucking.

I had this situation once and did ask to see his cards on the basis of the "show one show all" rule (He was doing this regularly). Neither I or the other guy wanted to make a fuss about it but the dealer was new and didn"t think I had the right to see the cards. Everyone else at the table had an opinion and it all got quite amusing.

[Paulie_D]

That"s an easy one...if he shows one person, everyone can see.

End of.

[SirPercival]

That"s an easy one...if he shows one person, everyone can see.

End of.

I know that - but people seem to get upset if you ask.

[Paulie_D]

Unfortunately, sometimes the fish have to be educated...but it"s not your job.

The dealer should know and enforce the rule. If he doesn"t, I"m calling the floor and get him to explain it to the pair.

If it persists, I"m asking for a table change (if cash) and talking to the shift supervisor/room manager away from the table about it.

[Glorious]

I don"t ask to see - not good form.

And I"m usually to relieved to have won I don"t care what he had.

[BOINGBLITZ]

Can I have the 2010 prize for best thread please ??!!

[Shogun112]

I have no shame in asking to see your cards.

If I am sat at your table, and you are constantly raising, or overbetting flops to take down a hand, I am wondering what are you doing it with.  If someone calls you down and you muck with lots of good cards on board, I am going to ask to see the cards..  Its information..  It is also a way of curtailing the serial raiser if he has just had to show a load of rubbish..  If there isn"t an obvious serial raiser, I will not be asking to see cards.

None of my reason for asking to see is anything to do with collusion.

In a similar situation, if I have taken a risk to call down a serial raiser, and I call after the river, too many times, serial raiser wants to see my cards first.  He aint gonna see them first.  If it is just a std player, and I think I am good, I will show first and let him muck.

It all depends how you are playing against me.  I MAY actually be just taking one for the table if I have chips...

Carl.

[keith101]

I have no shame in asking to see your cards.

If I am sat at your table, and you are constantly raising, or overbetting flops to take down a hand, I am wondering what are you doing it with.  If someone calls you down and you muck with lots of good cards on board, I am going to ask to see the cards..  Its information..  It is also a way of curtailing the serial raiser if he has just had to show a load of rubbish..  If there isn"t an obvious serial raiser, I will not be asking to see cards.

None of my reason for asking to see is anything to do with collusion.

In a similar situation, if I have taken a risk to call down a serial raiser, and I call after the river, too many times, serial raiser wants to see my cards first.  He aint gonna see them first.  If it is just a std player, and I think I am good, I will show first and let him muck.

It all depends how you are playing against me.  I MAY actually be just taking one for the table if I have chips...

Carl.

agree with most of this however if i wasnt the person that called the serial raiser down then i wouldnt ask to see their cards because i was not involved in the pot but i can see where you are coming from

[Marty719]

You aren"t allowed to ask to see the cards if you weren"t in the hand anyway

[Paulie_D]

You aren"t allowed to ask to see the cards if you weren"t in the hand anyway

If you were dealt in, you can ask...