Hand 120 from Apestyles

[shozboy1]

Hi, some opinions on how this hand was played would be appreciated from the textbook I"m currently going through
cheers

9 handed. 530 buck tourney. Table is full of "absolutely fishy players"
My image is solid, but afew may suspect me of being tilted as my Aces just got cracked. Seats 4/5/6 have been exceptionally loose-passive. Blinds are 100-200.

SB Apestyles 7700
BB 15580
S3 9910
S4 9500
S5 10280
S6 10480
S7 4560
S8 12500
BTN 9490

S4 limps for 200. Apestyles completes from SB with AdJc and BB checks.
Flop comes Jh7h3d pot is 600. Apestyles checks, BB checks, seat 4 bets 400. Apestyles raises to 1200.
BB folds and seat 4 calls.

Turn is . Pot is 3000. Ape bets 3000 leaving 3300 behind. Seat 4 calls.
River is . Pot is now 9000

What should Ape do and how did he play this hand???

[LongshanksED]

i probably play it roughly the same - might lead on the flop though

on river shouldnt change much either, im never folding here if i check and villian bets

probably just get it in with my last 15bb and happy to take pot down


howeevr - im probably totally wrong

[Marty719]

Massively opponent dependant.  I think a lot of the examples from this book are pretty poor as it 100% depends how u play each individual hand on ur opponents tendancies.

The fact that all the information we have in this spot is "fish" and the fact that we have invested 66% of our stack makes this river a shove.  Check fold is pretty poor and he is checking back some hands we can get value from.  Most fishy players are stations who hate to be bluffed, so I think he is more than capable of calling rivers with weak j"s that would check back if we checked.  Shove river for max value against stations.

If we were deeper then obv the sit would be more complex.  I"m sure he would have been looking for some form of timing tells, etc.

[deanp27]

just jam it in probs

[noble1]

fish loose passive bets flop so the Flush seems meh maybe but unlikely he likes calling,,set on flop 2suit i would expect fish to 3bet flop so KJ QJ TJ are the sorta hands i"d expect to see,turn is ?? but he is a fish so river card would not concern me , i cannot see merit to check call or check fold having invested so much on a pretty much dry board, so stick last 3300 in seems the only option...
as for the way he played it . i would not mind checking turn with the plan to check raise and if villain checks then value bet pretty much all rivers if no QKT card appears...

[MintTrav]

An example of how not betting early can cost more chips by the end. Preflop, I know we are OOP and I wouldn"t always raise here with this hand, but we risk allowing the BB to come in with 73, etc. The hand would have been more problematical if the BB had got involved. Leading on the Flop rather than CR would have meant that a pot-sized bet on the Turn would be 1400 rather than 3000. On the River, with a pot of 4200 and 5700 behind we would have a lot more options than we now have, faced with a pot of 9000 with 3300 behind. The situation is out of control and all we can do now is cross our fingers. No doubt Apestyles will say that he was feeding on the loose-passive style of his opponent. I guess he will rationalise that the passive player would have taken a free card on the flop with a gutshot or flush draw and might have played a set differently, so he him pegged on a weaker J. Yeah, right. I don"t buy it. IMO he has lost control of the size of the pot and left himself hoping for the best. I"m sure it worked out for him though or it probably wouldn"t be in the book.