Marty, I totally see where you are coming from. Im just not a fan of shoving in the first level against bad players with a very vulnerable hand. To be honest im probably not going to play this situation very well. I hate throwing away JJ without seeing a flop, and agree a flat call is weak. I might test the strength of my opponents hand with a reraise, or possibly opt for a "weak" call, put id rarely shove in this spot. But what the hell this is a pub league final, the bar is open and a cash table is starting, all right then shove, shove, shove lol.