Live APAT hand which has been bugging me

[jbworldwide]

yuck.

What was your plan when you made the raise? a 4xBB opener is huge (and spewy) if you are planning to fold to a shove.

You state the SB shover with 7k as being tight - by "tight", do you mean he only plays top 5% of hands? If so, then it"s an easy fold..... or do you actually mean "good", in which case it"s an easy call, given that his resteal range will be pretty wide against your button raise.

My thoughts were to take it down there and then with a large raise.  Feared that a small button raise wouldnt be respected so decided on a 4x.

The "tight" is I believe a mod on here so not sure if that means they"re "good" or not  

Hasnt played any hands but yes would put him as a good player.

I wouldn"t say he was good, I would say he is solid  

and I wonder if anyone can guess what the hand in the sb was?

OK so now we know who it was in the SB, the hand was obviously AK, or QQ+.    Tight is the word!! (as is good)

come on Steve you can range me better than that, I print these bad boys!

[AMRN]

yuck.

What was your plan when you made the raise? a 4xBB opener is huge (and spewy) if you are planning to fold to a shove.

You state the SB shover with 7k as being tight - by "tight", do you mean he only plays top 5% of hands? If so, then it"s an easy fold..... or do you actually mean "good", in which case it"s an easy call, given that his resteal range will be pretty wide against your button raise.

My thoughts were to take it down there and then with a large raise.  Feared that a small button raise wouldnt be respected so decided on a 4x.

The "tight" is I believe a mod on here so not sure if that means they"re "good" or not  

Hasnt played any hands but yes would put him as a good player.

I wouldn"t say he was good, I would say he is solid  

and I wonder if anyone can guess what the hand in the sb was?

OK so now we know who it was in the SB, the hand was obviously AK, or QQ+.    Tight is the word!! (as is good)

come on Steve you can range me better than that, I print these bad boys!

OK going on experience of playing with you, you had one of the following 7 hands:
kc kd
kc kh
kc ks
kd kh
kd ks
kh ks

[jbworldwide]

and you may very well be correct  

[smileriraq]

against 1 all in  id probably call against two all ins im not sure would depend what i had for breakfast that day and how i viewed the table but id likely fold.

the reasoning is im going up against at least AK AQ or a PP against 2 players you have to figure one of them has AX so that reduces your outs the other likely has a PP so that means you really have to hit to win

that would be my initial thought process but what do I know?

[PHIL_TC]

and you may very well be correct  

+1  

James I wasnt sure if you"d remember this one

In my position.. what would you have done?

I think the BB turned over J5o or something random.. and the flop brought me my Ace.. and your third King  

[AMRN]

something to remember about James.... if he 3-bets, he always has KK...... and if he needs to, he always draws another one.

[deanp27]

the blinds should know you are not on a button steal here by your 4x raise. Standard live players don"t 4x on pure steals in my experience and this case is the same. Don"t want to repeat all comments re preflop but it isn"t a good mindset you have if you "just want to take it down".

Having said that i would struggle to fold AQs for ~20bbs, much depends on the nittiness of the blinds but because my button range is probably much wider than yours i would be raise/calling it off all day long and meh i think you should too.

But folding would be easier if make a smaller raise. Would you raise this size with hands like A6s, 98s, AA etc ?? - think about it.

[Shogun112]

JB is SOOO tight, when he farts, only dogs can hear it..!!!

[Paulie_D]

JB is SOOO tight, when he farts, only dogs can hear it..!!!

Yeah but half the country can smell it!

[shozboy1]

I agree a smaller raise here of 2.5x. Calling a shove either from SB or BB alone, but I"d lean to a fold when we"re up against 2 players. We"re likely to be racing against atleast one of them, and the other may have 1 of our outs (i.e ace) or dominate us with AK.
The BB should - in theory have a pretty tight shoving range here given the action already going on

[fraac]

I wouldn"t want to get it all in with AQ at an APAT event. I"d standardraise-fold but know I"m strong on the flop against any callers.

[WYoung83]

Cant belive how tight some of you guys play
AQs is a call from me, i would be thinking... "i dont have a big enough stack to play poker with, and i need to doubble up asap or go broke trying"

[AMRN]

I wouldn"t want to get it all in with AQ at an APAT event.

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Not sure I understand this. Either you want to play AQs in this spot, or you don"t. Why does it being an APAT event have any relevance? Poker is poker whether it is a £20 freezout at your local, a GUKPT main event, or an APAT event.   In this spot, AQs is a hand you rarely want to be raise/folding with whilst holding a sub 20BB stack, regardless of what tournament you"re playing.

[fraac]

Oh yeah, 20bb. I just shove then. Limping isn"t bad if you have reads.

[Marty719]

Oh yeah, 20bb. I just shove then. Limping isn"t bad if you have reads.

Think open shoving is pretty bad here.  Our purpose shud be to get people to commit chips with worse.  Shoving is prob not the best way to do this.