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Pocket Kings in a cash game
« on: July 17, 2010, 12:13:41 PM »
Here is the setup;

Just opened a $0.50/$1.00, 40-100bb cash table on Pokerstars and bought in for $100.  No information on any of the players and this happens on hand 3.

UTG raises to $2.50 and I find KK in mid position.  I 3 bet to $6.90 and the BB flats.  UTG then 4 bets to $15 total.  I flat to take a flop in position.  However BB is all in for $110 and UTG is all in for $190!!!  

$85 back and I tank.  What do you do?

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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2010, 12:17:08 PM »
Fold

Pretty sure that UTG has Aces here.  BB probably has AK.
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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2010, 12:35:01 PM »
Call.

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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2010, 12:51:19 PM »
You don"t know the history between these two, for all you know they have been going at each other light.

I hate it but with a chance to triple up and cash out with the (current) second nuts I call and if one of them has AA then so be it.

For what it"s worth, I would have 5-bet/shoved it. The money is going in anyway might as well see if there is any fold equity out there.
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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 14:04:25 PM »
Pre I"m probably making $8. Your raise is pretty much a little more than a min raise

When UTG re raises I"m jamming it all in. I"d imagine the BB has a big hand or is set mining. Chances are with one raising Oop and the other flatting I reckon I have the best hand and probably up against 2 pocket pairs or one pair and an AK/AQ type hand  neither and If I put one on Ax then the chances of AA being held by the other is unlikely

Although I don"t hate the flat in position, I"m always re raising all in. BB probably had ak and your flat looks a bit weaker and he figures his squeeze with AK is at worst 50/50

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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 14:59:51 PM »
meh without reads i"d call

edit: also depends whether this is fullring or 6max = 6 max i"d get it in and not worry about it too much
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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2010, 16:00:11 PM »

meh without reads i"d call

edit: also depends whether this is fullring or 6max = 6 max i"d get it in and not worry about it too much


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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2010, 18:28:49 PM »
Call - but that"s just me  :o

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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2010, 19:10:27 PM »
Its a high variance spot this. with $215 in the middle and $85 to call you need >29% equity to call.

Giving utg a tight range of AA,AKs,AKo and BB a wider JJ+,AKs,AKo, your KK has 35% equity and is a compulsory call.

Anyone think ranges are too wide?
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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2010, 20:38:14 PM »
no hand history?, especially a mangled up one like this, should be posted with pride..
Is it ok to call KK after seeing a 5bet shove and a call from the 4bettor? After playing it this way then yes :)

If u have played with these villains before and they happen to be decent regs [or at least the original raiser] and your 3bet range is around 2to4 % thinker, then a decent regs 4bet range will become very narrow...
The way i see it though without any reads [again] is that when he 4bets small ish with 2 others in the pot and himself in a sandwich, then his range has to look wider than a normal tags 4bet range , so how it plays out from there and the dead money in the pot , its a call...



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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2010, 21:15:24 PM »

Call - but that"s just me  :o


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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2010, 22:29:16 PM »


Call - but that"s just me  :o


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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2010, 10:11:19 AM »
is this a serious question?  Don"t think I"m ever folding KK preflop in a cash game. Probably a leak, but there ya go.

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Re: Pocket Kings in a cash game
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2010, 00:03:18 AM »
I must be the tightest player in APAT.....& I can"t fold.  :o
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