Flopped set - live cash game

[pokerpops]

50p/£1, 10 handed

I"m UTG with  :: ::
I limp in - the table has a fairly high frequency of limped pots so I"m happy to see this flop for just the £1
Three limp in behind me and the SB makes it £6 - I call along with 2 others behind

Flop  :: ::

SB leads for £8 (playing £77.50 - he started with c£150 and has managed to lose a chunk through a mix of bad play and bad decisions - he may or may not be totally sober...)
I make it £30
all fold to SB who shoves, I have £47.50 to call...

[Marty719]

level?

[Mikeyboy9361]

Snap call, I put him on an over pair to the board. But you call and he flips AQ clubs, and hits his flush! :"(

[ian.ski309]

After calling the PFR you couldn"t really wish for a better flop with your hand, other than a rainbow. Call.

[zzBlizzardzz]

Yep Snap call. You got exactly what you wanted with the flop, yes there is a flush draw but your ahead and someone has pushed all in..all you can do is get it all in with the best hand.

[deanp27]

did you say you have a set?

[pokerpops]

yep - it"s an obvious call and yes he had the flush draw ( kc tc )
club on the turn and no help on the river but the bit that interested me was the response of one of the regulars who said "You should have just called the flop bet and then you could have got away from that..."

Do we want to "get away from" a situation where we"re 2:1 favourite on the flop?

[MAIR]

I don"t play cash much, forgetting the flop, this is pre, but tbh utg 10 handed, yeah you have limped in for £1 but when it is raised to £6 and there are 3 to act after you, I cant see im calling £5 raise with 22.  You say you are happy to see the flop limped for £1, why call the £5 raise with 22?

[Marty719]

tbh - this is just one of those bad beat posts that ppl hate in this academy section.  Not getting it in on this flop w/ these stack sizes and the fact that we crush some of his stacking off range is laughable.  It doesnt matter what our equity is against his hand, it matters what our equity is against his range which makes this a fairly obvious get it in.

[Mikeyboy9361]

tbh - this is just one of those bad beat posts that ppl hate in this academy section.  Not getting it in on this flop w/ these stack sizes and the fact that we crush some of his stacking off range is laughable.  It doesnt matter what our equity is against his hand, it matters what our equity is against his range which makes this a fairly obvious get it in.

Okay, so its a BB, but don"t put people off posting in the academy section, there is few enough posts here as it is.

yep - it"s an obvious call and yes he had the flush draw ( kc tc )
club on the turn and no help on the river but the bit that interested me was the response of one of the regulars who said "You should have just called the flop bet and then you could have got away from that..."

Do we want to "get away from" a situation where we"re 2:1 favourite on the flop?

You"re never just calling the flop bet here, you can sse the draw is out there, and you have to make him pay for that draw.

[deanp27]

if there is anything to take from this it is "please don"t listen to local casino donks" - they are as results orientated as it gets.

[kinboshi]

I don"t play cash much, forgetting the flop, this is pre, but tbh utg 10 handed, yeah you have limped in for £1 but when it is raised to £6 and there are 3 to act after you, I cant see im calling £5 raise with 22.  You say you are happy to see the flop limped for £1, why call the £5 raise with 22?

It"s a perfect spot to call with 22, as the other two limpers are unlikely to re-raise, and if they do it"ll be a significant bet and you can then fold having only invested 6xBBs.

The reason we play 22 is to set mine, and this flop is what we wanted.  The fact it"s been raised pre-flop is even better, as that enables us to get our whole stack in easier, rather than trying to build the pot over the streets. 

If you can get 77xBBs in on this flop - that"s a +EV move and exactly where you want to be.  You lose the hand, just shrug and reload.

[LongshanksED]

Am I the only one not happy with the raise on the flop

Post flop the pot is £25 (i presume the bb folded). He leads for £8 (£32) and you only raise a further £22 (£8 to call) making the pot £62. He needs to call £22 to win £62 and is getting approx 3/1. Not quite enough to make him fold especially if he thinks if he hits his 2 overcards then 1 pair is good


I"d have re raised to nearer £50 or £55 on the flop

[Marty719]

Am I the only one not happy with the raise on the flop

Post flop the pot is £25 (i presume the bb folded). He leads for £8 (£32) and you only raise a further £22 (£8 to call) making the pot £62. He needs to call £22 to win £62 and is getting approx 3/1. Not quite enough to make him fold especially if he thinks if he hits his 2 overcards then 1 pair is good


I"d have re raised to nearer £50 or £55 on the flop

Why do you want him to fold?!?!?!?!?!?!

[LongshanksED]

I obviously don"t want him to fold but I dont want to give him the correct odds on calling but it"s a cash game and not a tourney. In a tourney I want to be getting it all but in cash this is immediately a 30bb pot and adding around 30% to my stack (if we started at 100bb). I"ll take that every time I flop a set to see a constant profit!