KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?

[LongshanksED]

so 5k starting stack. 25/50 blinds. 8 handed.

UTG makes it 125. UTG is a professional who just came back from EPT snowfest and is basically out with his friends for the night and is known to lark about with all kinds of floppable hands, suited connectors and one gappers etc

UTG+1 is a decent player and likes to 3 bet light in position also with suited connecters (for local casino standards) and makes it 300

button who is never 4 betting light but can overplay small/medium pairs and AK/AQ makes it 800


were on BB with KK. whats the play? call or raise? if raise then how much?

my thoughts are obviously raise but i dont want to just shove and get everyone to fold but i want to rais in order to get at least one call or a shove from an overzealous ace or lower pair

[Swinebag]

think you answered your own question with your reads. You are ahead of 4 bettor"s range so ship your 100 bigs in.

[Marty719]

Yea shipping prob looks weaker than making it ~2200.

[shozboy1]

dont think shipping is best move. Folds out trashy hands thats all.

Reraise to 2000. If you just flat call the 800 likely you"ll be playing a 4 way pot given the other guys" tendencies.

cbet/shove any flop that doesnt contain an ace

[Marty719]

What do u think our perceived range is for making it 2k?
What do u think our perceived range is fod shoving?

[kinboshi]

Shove.  Get called by AA.  Bink the king.

[linziwan]

I can"t win with KK at the moment, doesn"t matter what calls me, I loose ..... so in that respect FOLD


duh... nah I"m still playing them, probably reraise about 2200.

[PHIL_TC]

I"m not raising 2K+ when I"m starting with 5K plus the ship all in looks much weaker than the raise to 2K in my opinion and more likely to get called with weaker hands. Ship it all in IMO.

[bigredders]

Absolutely have to ship....

[LongshanksED]

gonna wait for a few more replies until i finish of the hand - and this aint no bad beat script - just interested in who would raise and how much and who would open shove

[Mikeyboy9361]

Raise to 2500, and shove any flop that doesn"t include an Ace. If you get re popped, which would surely be a push, you can then re evaluate. Question asked and answered, but can you lay your Kings down, don"t think I could.

[Mikeyboy9361]

Shove.  Get called by AA.  Bink the king.

You still 100% on this Dan?

[Claw75]

just shove

[duke3016]

All in - but that"s just me

[Marty719]

Raise to 2500, and shove any flop that doesn"t include an Ace. If you get re popped, which would surely be a push, you can then re evaluate. Question asked and answered, but can you lay your Kings down, don"t think I could.

4B folding KK for 50% of our stack wud be the worst thing of all time.