APAT Payout Structures

[George2Loose]

Would be nice to get views from those who have finalled and won on the FT structure

Ahem....well, I have Finalled...twice. Never won one...yet!

As a mod maybe u can answer why the online tourneys have a more traditional payout structure?

[daveyb147]

Would be nice to get views from those who have finalled and won on the FT structure

Ahem....well, I have Finalled...twice. Never won one...yet!

As a mod maybe u can answer why the online tourneys have a more traditional payout structure?

As a mod he aint Paul Weller is he lol

[George2Loose]

Would be nice to get views from those who have finalled and won on the FT structure

Ahem....well, I have Finalled...twice. Never won one...yet!

As a mod maybe u can answer why the online tourneys have a more traditional payout structure?

As a mod he aint Paul Weller is he lol

too young to understand this joke!

[daveyb147]

LOL

[Waz1892]

1. Day two in the money
2. Change the FT payouts
3. No deals

Defo vote for Day 2 making the money.   It is hard enough to do, and hitting the money at this stage is just rewards imo.

Imo no to deals, as APAT plays for medals too, so this would take that part of APAT away which is one of the good distinctions it has and why it is an excellent amatuer association.

As for any discussions around this and people not coming forward to air there views (I think it was posted within this thread that FT"s may feel uncomfy bringing this up) could APAT not organise a vote for S5 on whether pay structure is changed and /or deal making is allowed.

The vote could be set up the same as the Yearly APAT awards are, so noone knows who voted for what?

[duke3016]

1. Day two in the money
2. Change the FT payouts
3. No deals
4. 50% off all alcoholic drinks

Just like this. Although perhaps #4 might be a step too far..... but #1 to #3 are exactly where I would like to see it go, if change is to happen.

Would be nice to get views from those who have finalled and won on the FT structure

Also why doesn"t the online payout structures mirror the live ones?

Sigh George that is like a dagger through my heart  

[Chipaccrual]

Would be nice to get views from those who have finalled and won on the FT structure

Ahem....well, I have Finalled...twice. Never won one...yet!

As a mod maybe u can answer why the online tourneys have a more traditional payout structure?

I can explain that one quite simply.  To use the same structure for the online events would require setting up a unique payment matrix with the software provider which was able to calculate the payouts dependant on the number of runners.

This is not possible to do with most software providers, hence having to go with the standard payout structures that the software use.

Ideally, the online games would mirror the live ones, and in the case of the added value, and lack of reg fees, we"ve got it closer this season, but the payouts is probably going to be one step we cannot resolve.

[George2Loose]

Would be nice to get views from those who have finalled and won on the FT structure

Ahem....well, I have Finalled...twice. Never won one...yet!

As a mod maybe u can answer why the online tourneys have a more traditional payout structure?

I can explain that one quite simply.  To use the same structure for the online events would require setting up a unique payment matrix with the software provider which was able to calculate the payouts dependant on the number of runners.

This is not possible to do with most software providers, hence having to go with the standard payout structures that the software use.

Ideally, the online games would mirror the live ones, and in the case of the added value, and lack of reg fees, we"ve got it closer this season, but the payouts is probably going to be one step we cannot resolve.

What about live Leigh? Are payout structures going to be discussed for season 5?

[George2Loose]

1. Day two in the money
2. Change the FT payouts
3. No deals
4. 50% off all alcoholic drinks

Just like this. Although perhaps #4 might be a step too far..... but #1 to #3 are exactly where I would like to see it go, if change is to happen.

Would be nice to get views from those who have finalled and won on the FT structure

Also why doesn"t the online payout structures mirror the live ones?

Sigh George that is like a dagger through my heart  

Duke I think have made day 2 twice so I am certainly not as qualified as you to discuss these matters!

[Paulie_D]

Could APAT not organise a vote for S5 on whether pay structure is changed and /or deal making is allowed.

Just to emphasise...a POLL probably could be organised...I think the forum software would allow it but the result would only be an expression of the opinions of those who voted.

I think it highly unlikely that the results would represent the views of the majority of the members although, of course, it could be argued that this MIGHT be a representative sample....frankly I doubt it...but it"s possible.

THEN...even with all that, the poll isn"t binding on APAT to make the change....but I"m sure that they would take the results into consideration.

For what it"s worth:

1. Day Two for the money only.
2. Payouts - Not bothered either way
3. NO Deals
4. Only 50%?...that Duke....such a lightweight!

[Chipaccrual]

Would be nice to get views from those who have finalled and won on the FT structure

Ahem....well, I have Finalled...twice. Never won one...yet!

As a mod maybe u can answer why the online tourneys have a more traditional payout structure?

I can explain that one quite simply.  To use the same structure for the online events would require setting up a unique payment matrix with the software provider which was able to calculate the payouts dependant on the number of runners.

This is not possible to do with most software providers, hence having to go with the standard payout structures that the software use.

Ideally, the online games would mirror the live ones, and in the case of the added value, and lack of reg fees, we"ve got it closer this season, but the payouts is probably going to be one step we cannot resolve.

What about live Leigh? Are payout structures going to be discussed for season 5?

They are regularly discussed.  Personally, I am of the opinion that the final table shouldn"t be flat (4th-9th) and there should be structure to it.  I would still want the top three to be a significantly greater payout than the other ft"ers, as it is championship poker with medals, added value etc, but I"ve never really liked 4th getting the same as 9th.

As far as deals go, I"ve been present at plenty of APAT final tables, and I don"t often hear players even mention deals.  Maybe that"s because they are all aware of APAT's stance on this, but players are often focused on the title, trophy, gold medal, GUKPT seat and significant media exposure.

I"m pretty sure deals were done at all of the APAT events that have allowed it to happen, either in the form of savers or chipcount split and play for the seat and medals.

Do deals happen on other similar tours, say the Sky Tour, or the Virgin Tour when that was running ?

[KarmaDope]

I agree with most of the views in here - now that"s an annoying sentence!

However, both sides have good points and bad points. Going down Ger"s list...

1. Day 2 in the money: I agree. Most people book a hotel anyway for APAT weekends but some people may not do. I know that I wouldn"t be booking a hotel for Day 2 at any venues within 95 miles of my house (basically I can get home from DTD on the same day, that"s about my limit) unless I had to play day 2. Last thing I want to have to do is book a hotel that I can"t really afford or drive back again knowing I might not make the cash.

2. Change the FT payouts: Agree also. Mainly because I could beat 196 other players in a 200 man tourney and get the same amount of money as someone who beat 191. The final table is a completely different ball game and I think it"s unfair that 4th-9th get the same cash. Personally, I would pay 10% of the field, have the winner get 20% and take it from there for the rest.

3. No Deals: Disagree. It"s our money, why can"t we deal. I don"t wanna take the risk between 4th (£900) and 1st (£3500) if all 4 players have pretty much equal chips and the average is 10xbb, of losing the equivalent of £2600 on a badbeat/flip/etc. £2600 is a lot of money to me.

4. 50%... Feck replying to that one!

[WYoung83]

 Ive been on 2 APAT final tables, and from a selfish pov i was glad 9th paid the same as 4th. (but that was when i came 9th)

but seriously, the payout structure for the final table is not great. 9th getting paid the same as 4th takes away a whole dynamic of tournment poker.
If you were a good player with a decant stack on the final table, then you should be looking to exploit the people who are laddering for the extra £100 or so. The middle stacks hanging on for the shortie to go broke etc. That is exactly what final tables are all about, looking for any edge to help yourself get into the top 3.

Like the no deal rules, because i think deals takes away some of the prestegie of winning. I assume it would be different if i was playing for life changing money, but havent had the chance yet.

[TightEnd]

Liking the thread everyone

Rest assured that the views will be taken into account when we formulate Season 5.

[Swinebag]

Not talking about payouts from 27th onwards- just the final table payout structure. I have no idea why APAT differs in this area.

APAT is a "training ground" for amateurs. Make no sense why their final table payout structure should differ from any other major tournament in the world.

I think this would be part of APAt"s evolution. We"ve had tweaks to the stucture- also introduced antes. Think this is the next step.

saw it was 4 pages. Read this far then stopped.

this is pretty much my opinion. I will only add this:

I think APAT players play for the win because they want to win, not because of the payout structure.