Hand from DTD GP

[AMRN]

It"s level 300/600/a50, and I have 18k. (just moved up from 6k, and am above starting stack for first time in tourney - 6 hours in!). I have a tight image at table, although this hand is with a guy who just arrived.... no info on him at all.  SB has also just arrived and already shown a tendency to be super-loose with his massive stack.

I"m UTG and have 88, and choose to limp, with a plan to shove over any raise from three particular serial 3-bettors, or fold to any other raises. 

Folds round to the super loose SB who makes up, and the BB checks..... 3 way to the flop.

FLOP - 82K rainbow.  SB and BB check, and I check behind, hoping to show weakness that will get the super-loose SB into action.

Turn A (full rainbow). SB and BB check again, and I checked again, still trying to get the SB into action. [I feel I should have tried to get a pot on the go at this point though.]

River J. SB checks, BB bets 1100 into 2300 pot. I raise to 3300. SB folds. BB shoves (has me covered).

So - having slow played a flopped set to try and get a max payoff, I now have to call for my tourney. I have no reads on the BB player, and he is displaying no obvious weakness or strength physical tells. I have to make a decision based on situation and maths.

Call or fold?

[mousebob]

My gut instinct is for QT & I"m reluctantly folding.
Too many free cards for my liking.
Time to start the rebuilding a stack process again!

[George2Loose]

Yeh probs a raise/fold spot here. I can"t see him shoving worse here for value or bluffing against your table image

[ian.ski309]

I"d like to chip in with a really wise and insightful reply here, but I"ve already seen the outcome on your FB status  

[AMRN]

By the way, my thought process was around the fact that when he shoves the only possible hand he can have that beats me is QT (I discount JJ, KK, or AA, due to the inactivity preflop). When his range is so polarised to either QT or a losing hand, does that make the decision easier or harder?

[Marty719]

By the way, my thought process was around the fact that when he shoves the only possible hand he can have that beats me is QT (I discount JJ, KK, or AA, due to the inactivity preflop). When his range is so polarised to either QT or a losing hand, does that make the decision easier or harder?

Think his 3b shove range on the river i pretty much dominated by Q10.  I def raise/fold this river w/ no other info but i make it slightly bigger, like 4k, for value.

[pables]

I"d like to chip in with a really wise and insightful reply here, but I"ve already seen the outcome on your FB status  

+1 but you know I would have folded here Steve. I have history  

[deanp27]

well i fold river as played but don"t like any street beforehand tbh

[Swinebag]

well i fold river as played but don"t like any street beforehand tbh

this

I"ve been there, done that with slow playing sets. You put a good case for slowplaying though and I know you prefer to play
much faster here normally.

[mousebob]

This "polarising range" stuff is okay but if I was bb I could have any old sh*t here !!
For me it"s an instinct play made harder as no info on villain.
He too COULD be slowplaying trips (not everyone plays the same!)
Bottom line is you call & lose-you"re out.
Fold & you"re still in & good enough to rebuild.
Just makes me realise how difficult the game is.

[bigredders]

I think you defintely have to fold here. I didn"t mind the check on the flop, but the check on the turn is pretty horrible imo. The thing is he could be shoving thinking your raise stealing due to inactivity on previous streets but to call means you are hoping your winning rather than thinking your winning. It makes the river call a complete guess.

[kinboshi]

Yeh probs a raise/fold spot here. I can"t see him shoving worse here for value or bluffing against your table image

He has no table image as these players have just arrived.  Has to start from scratch with that.  Although of course if they"ve played him before they"ll have an image from that, but otherwise he"s a random.

[AMRN]

Here"s how it played out...

Preflop, I looked down at 88 and couldn"t decide whether to raise, limp, or fold. I had just doubled up, and got a preflop 3-bet through, and was feeling pretty good..... however was aware that despite having played tighter than a gnat"s chuff for six hours, the two new arrivals had been there for around 5 hands, of which I had played 2, and now I was attacking their blinds from UTG.... so I was wary of raising. However, I did count out a raise, managed to fumble my chips, then decided to limp

When trying to decide whether to call the river shove or not, part of my thought process was that I had shown no aggression during the hand at all, although I had visibly considered raising pre..... and with the indecision and fumble, I had probably shown huge weakness..... so I figured that if he is a thinking player, he may be putting my weakness to the test with this raise/shove. Of course, he might have QT or an overset, but in my opinion at the time, there was significant scope for him to be punishing me with air.

In the end, if I had a coin, I would have flipped and made the call based on the outcome. Without a coin to hand, I decided I would call if we were within 10 minutes of the next blind increase.... the clock showed less than 4 mins.... so I called.

He had QT. gg.

[Pitchie]

In the end, if I had a coin, I would have flipped and made the call based on the outcome. Without a coin to hand, I decided I would call if we were within 10 minutes of the next blind increase.... the clock showed less than 4 mins.... so I called.

He had QT. gg.

Overall, I think the biggest mistake in this hand was....

Not knowing when the next level began!  

Paul.

[WarBwastardo]

I remember this hand, sort of. I was there anyway, think I had just arrived, but I was thinking about biscuits at that time and lost my concentration.  Was I the small blind in this hand?  I think it was me. I think I didn"t get out of line because you"d limped UTG and because I was craving a ginger nut biscuit and a cup of tea.

Think the mistake was not betting the turn as you"re up against the blinds and we could have anything like.  When you"re up against two blind hands against players you don"t know much about, you"re better off protecting your hand no?  I mean it"s difficult to try and eek out value when you don"t know what you"re up against.  Also as you say it"s a polarising bet...it"s not often a guy new to a table would decide to bluff in a spot like this the first hand he"s played at a new table.

Plus he probably knew you had played for your country and would be unlikely to have had the huevo"s to try and bluff such an internationally respected poker personality.  Easy fold.  Piece of piss fold actually.  It"s like so easy my Nan could have found a fold here and she"s the most aggressive person I know cause she only eats bacon and whiskey.

Everyone slagged you off when you left as a matter of fact, they said it was the worst call they"d ever seen.  The chap in the six seat actually had to back swallow some sick he was so appalled and one of the valets delivering a can of Redbull and a ham sandwich remarked on how shocking the bald fella played that hand.

Having said all that.....hmmmm bourbon creams