APAT Season 5: Discussion

[dwh103]

I like the pay out structure as is. Certainly for the lower positions anyway.

My wish-list:

- A rejigged structure. Hated the 100/200 jump to 150/300/25. I would like to see more blind levels slotted in but with bigger antes. Should make for a better game without lengthening the comp. Someone I"m sure has read Negreanu"s comments on this and would post a link.
- Any chance of a bigger capacity at the side events at the WCOAP? I know this would be awkward logistically but the HU probably could"ve got 64 runners.
- Other than that, think season 4 has been top drawer. Congrats all and many thanks.

[RioRodent]

My wish-list:

- A rejigged structure. Hated the 100/200 jump to 150/300/25. I would like to see more blind levels slotted in but with bigger antes. Should make for a better game without lengthening the comp. Someone I"m sure has read Negreanu"s comments on this and would post a link.

If you want bigger antes, then you will still get a similar size jump, even when repeating a blind level.

Assuming 10 palyers at table....

from 100/200 = 300 / orbit
we currently go to 150/300/25 = 700 / orbit, an increase of x2.33

whereas 100/200/50 = 800 / orbit, an increase of x2.67

For the record, I too am in favour of bigger antes, in the range 1/4 - 1/3 x SB.

[Paulie_D]

I don"t know if there"s a "proper" formula for antes but I"d always assumed that they should be (at a 10 handed table) 10% of the BB.

Plus, it"s "normal" (where I come from) to repeat a blind level when introducing the antes thus easing them in...

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
100/200/25
150/300/25
200/400/50
300/600/50
etc

I don"t know how those jumps work for you....

The rub is that APAT has to get their events over at a certain point and means compromises in certain areas, the structure being one.

[AMRN]

 the DTD Deepstack structure is much smoother, it repeats the 100/200 level with ante introduction, and unless I"m mistaken it also includes 500/1000..........  with 10k chips and 45 min clock, what time do they start and finish day one?

[dwh103]

There"s no set rule for antes, you can have whatever you like at the end of the day!

Negreanu"s blog: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-blogs/2-daniel-negreanu/entries/263684-antes-in-tournaments

The only issue I have with APAT tournaments is that there are too many short stacks hanging around at the same time. Upping the antes means you can flatten the blind structure slightly without affecting the length of the tournament.

I"d propose something like:

25/50 (75)
50/100 (150)
75/150 (225)
100/200 (300)
100/200/25 (550)
150/300/50 (950)
200/400/50 (1100)
300/600/75 (1650)
400/800/100 (2200)
500/1000/150 (3000)

I believe level 10 of the standard structure is 800/1600/100, cost per round of 3400, which isn"t too much more. Could always remove the 75/150 level if needed. Currently TAGs with no hands in the first 3 hours drop from an M of 30 to an M of 13 assuming a 9k stack. Cue tightness from too many people to keep things moving along. My thinking is there needs to be a bit more play before/around the antes kicking in to allow the stacks to diverge a little more. A flatter structure at the start allows everyone longer to play, be it TAG or LAG.

I"d prefer to see more levels and a shorter clock if time really was an issue.

[WYoung83]

For the record, I too am in favour of bigger antes, in the range 1/4 - 1/3 x SB.
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This is the Holy grail, if only more people knew.

PS, that is an amazing structure IMO dwh1o3, having larger antes really suits my game i think.

[RioRodent]

My wish-list:

- A rejigged structure. Hated the 100/200 jump to 150/300/25. I would like to see more blind levels slotted in but with bigger antes. Should make for a better game without lengthening the comp. Someone I"m sure has read Negreanu"s comments on this and would post a link.

If you want bigger antes, then you will still get a similar size jump, even when repeating a blind level.

Assuming 10 palyers at table....

from 100/200 = 300 / orbit
we currently go to 150/300/25 = 700 / orbit, an increase of x2.33

whereas 100/200/50 = 800 / orbit, an increase of x2.67

For the record, I too am in favour of bigger antes, in the range 1/4 - 1/3 x SB.

Ignore that load of old tosh... 100/200 with a 50 ante!?!?! It has been a long day!!

Clearly I meant - 100/200/25 = 550, an increase of x1.833

[dwh103]

For the record, I too am in favour of bigger antes, in the range 1/4 - 1/3 x SB.

This is the Holy grail, if only more people knew.

PS, that is an amazing structure IMO dwh1o3, having larger antes really suits my game i think.
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Thanks

At the end of the day, if the tournament needs to be over in x amount of time - encourage aggro play!

[KarmaDope]

We have discussions every year about certain things and I honestly think the one thing that will NOT change is the buy-ins. APAT isn"t, and never has been, about the prizepool. It"s about the banter, the community etc. £75 makes it accessible to ALL.

DTD structure is missing something we get - a dinner break. It runs about 12hrs on day 1 without said break.

[Jeffers]

The only change I would potentially like to see is an earlier start to the League games, if they"re staying on a Sunday. Have early starts Monday morning for work, which has prevented me playing in them recently so if they started, even just an hour, earlier that would be great.

[Marty719]

25/50 (75)
50/100 (150)
75/150 (225)
100/200 (300)
100/200/25 (550)
150/300/50 (950)
200/400/50 (1100)
300/600/75 (1650)
400/800/100 (2200)
500/1000/150 (3000)

This looks pretty good!

[Swinebag]

25/50 (75)
50/100 (150)
75/150 (225)
100/200 (300)
100/200/25 (550)
150/300/50 (950)
200/400/50 (1100)
300/600/75 (1650)
400/800/100 (2200)
500/1000/150 (3000)

This looks pretty good!

this was pretty much the APAT structure at the start of S3 ( minus the 100/200/25) and it was changed to the present structure because the first event went on until the early hours on Monday morning.

This is not good for amateurs who have work on Monday"s.

FWIW I think the present structure is spot on. It can get a bit crap shooty but what 45 min blind tourney doesn"t at some stage.

[AAroddersAA]

The only change I would potentially like to see is an earlier start to the League games, if they"re staying on a Sunday. Have early starts Monday morning for work, which has prevented me playing in them recently so if they started, even just an hour, earlier that would be great.

I would agree with this actually - could they not start at 7pm or even 6:30pm. Personally I would also like to see the online championship events start earlier on Saturday but I am guessing that is not going to happen as I think most would disagree with me there?

[pables]

No,

I agree with you Steve, makes for an easier life

[PHIL_TC]

Online championships AND league games both on a Sunday please.. and 7pm, 8pm.. 9pm.. whenever for me..  all good.. as long as they"re Sundays