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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #375 on: February 15, 2011, 17:22:11 PM »
Can"t believe people are calling for a shorter clock - it"s not that long ago that the clamour was for longer levels.

The clock is fine, and if we could slow down the early level jumps (100/200 up to 150/300/a25) by repeating the 100/200 with antes, also adding the 500/1000 level back in, the structure would work perfectly well....... all it would take then to adjust the timings would be (significant) adjustments to the antes - which in turn would also take away a lot of the nittiness that tends to occur in these tournies.




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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #376 on: February 15, 2011, 17:34:51 PM »

Can"t believe people are calling for a shorter clock - it"s not that long ago that the clamour was for longer levels.

The clock is fine, and if we could slow down the early level jumps (100/200 up to 150/300/a25) by repeating the 100/200 with antes, also adding the 500/1000 level back in, the structure would work perfectly well....... all it would take then to adjust the timings would be (significant) adjustments to the antes - which in turn would also take away a lot of the nittiness that tends to occur in these tournies.






The main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - absolutely delighted to pump up the antes to do so.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #377 on: February 15, 2011, 17:44:35 PM »


Can"t believe people are calling for a shorter clock - it"s not that long ago that the clamour was for longer levels.

The clock is fine, and if we could slow down the early level jumps (100/200 up to 150/300/a25) by repeating the 100/200 with antes, also adding the 500/1000 level back in, the structure would work perfectly well....... all it would take then to adjust the timings would be (significant) adjustments to the antes - which in turn would also take away a lot of the nittiness that tends to occur in these tournies.






The main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - absolutely delighted to pump up the antes to do so.

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Obviously the main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - whilst this would be nice, I really don"t think that it"s such an important concept that you should change everything else to achieve it.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #378 on: February 15, 2011, 18:33:11 PM »


Obviously the main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - whilst this would be nice, I really don"t think that it"s such an important concept that you should change everything else to achieve it.


+1

this.

Dont see any reason to change the clock really, not tooooo fussed about coming back the next day to go for the money (coming back to actually play day 2 would be nice atm) as some of us go for a full weekend away and will be staying 2nd night regardless :D
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #379 on: February 15, 2011, 19:12:40 PM »



Obviously the main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - whilst this would be nice, I really don"t think that it"s such an important concept that you should change everything else to achieve it.


+1

this.

Dont see any reason to change the clock really, not tooooo fussed about coming back the next day to go for the money (coming back to actually play day 2 would be nice atm) as some of us go for a full weekend away and will be staying 2nd night regardless :D


that said though, just cos it works as it stands, doesn"t mean it can"t be improved. APAT tournies are fantastic value deep stacked poker, but unfortunately the latter stages are always very shovey and therefore the luck factor plays a bigger part than it should - my point is that if the antes were more expensive throughout, it would damage the shorter stacks earlier and force more play in the early to mid stages, thereby increasing the depth of stacks toward the latter stages, and leaving a little more play after the bubble bursts....

I might be getting this wrong, but it feels logical

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #380 on: February 15, 2011, 19:35:22 PM »




Obviously the main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - whilst this would be nice, I really don"t think that it"s such an important concept that you should change everything else to achieve it.


+1

this.

Dont see any reason to change the clock really, not tooooo fussed about coming back the next day to go for the money (coming back to actually play day 2 would be nice atm) as some of us go for a full weekend away and will be staying 2nd night regardless :D


that said though, just cos it works as it stands, doesn"t mean it can"t be improved. APAT tournies are fantastic value deep stacked poker, but unfortunately the latter stages are always very shovey and therefore the luck factor plays a bigger part than it should - my point is that if the antes were more expensive throughout, it would damage the shorter stacks earlier and force more play in the early to mid stages, thereby increasing the depth of stacks toward the latter stages, and leaving a little more play after the bubble bursts....

I might be getting this wrong, but it feels logical


A point well made Steve IMO.

It was interesting though at Betfair Live at the weekend that whilst the levels were 40 mins and not 45, the ante"s were actually 10% of the small blind not the big blind and even when the money bubble burst to end day 1, the blinds were only 1200/2400/100. This still left just 26 players in the money and 144 out.

Whilst this would not get an APAT event to the money it did however leave alot more play than is sometimes the case on an APAT day 2, as the average was 65k which as memory serves is about the same give or take. I have noticed that many players that come back on an APAT day 2 go out very quickly as the blinds kill them.

Personally I"m happy either way but some ultra-fine tuning might be in order.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #381 on: February 15, 2011, 19:54:14 PM »
... there were still two hours to play at Betfair Live so quite likely we would have got to the last 17 of 171 runners by 2am.

Interestingly even with 40 min levels they still didn"t get it finished until Midnight on Sunday!

I think increasing the antes is the better way to tweak the structure.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #382 on: February 15, 2011, 19:56:00 PM »
Antes should be 20-25% of small blind for "agressive  and good poker structures" according to some of the top pros whos blogs i have been reading this last year.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #383 on: February 15, 2011, 20:00:25 PM »
Aside - the other part of the equation was if you get to the money at the end of day 1 - you could have a bigger "second chance" tournament on Sunday.

Are there logistics that preclude this?

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #384 on: February 15, 2011, 20:06:05 PM »
 It would be nice to have a 2nd apat tourny, but most casinos have reg house games etc. Casinos are obv gonna be looking after themselves and the regular customers. They wouldnt want 10 tables taken up by us playing a juice free comp.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #385 on: February 15, 2011, 20:21:24 PM »

It would be nice to have a 2nd apat tourny, but most casinos have reg house games etc. Casinos are obv gonna be looking after themselves and the regular customers. They wouldnt want 10 tables taken up by us playing a juice free comp.


APAT tournaments are juice free to the players... they are not (I think I"m right in saying) juice free to APAT/Sponsors.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #386 on: February 15, 2011, 20:27:48 PM »
... as a total aside ... S5 ... is there scope for a speed poker MTT??

10 seconds to act

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #387 on: February 15, 2011, 20:58:38 PM »

... as a total aside ... S5 ... is there scope for a speed poker MTT??

10 seconds to act

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Haha, what ze hell!!?  Is there even such a thing as that?  10 pages of posts about perfecting the structure to give the best possible poker experience for the budget player then,,,...what about a tourny where it"s all over in about an hour or so?

Why are people in such a hurry these days.  I blame telly.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #388 on: February 15, 2011, 21:37:27 PM »



I love the live feed, but it can take something away from the Live Updates thread but I think that Luton proved that, with willing help, both can co-exist. Perhaps incentivising people to assist in one or the other might be beneficial. Overall, I"d hate to lose either.


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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #389 on: February 15, 2011, 21:38:44 PM »
lol @ 10 seconds to act. Some of the idiots playing live take more than 10 seconds to realise its their turn to act.