Keeping Warm in Winter

[AAroddersAA]

Just played this hand, just wondering what would anybody put him on doing this and what your play would be??
It"s early in session so no worthwhile poker tracker stats

Seat 2: Rodders ($37.55 in chips)
Seat 3: JimmyRare ($34.04 in chips)
Seat 4: ginndaniels ($4.09 in chips)
Seat 5: delapaso ($45.73 in chips)
Seat 6: maxkruder ($13.68 in chips)
delapaso: posts small blind $0.10
maxkruder: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rodders [ As]
Rodders: raises $0.75 to $1
JimmyRare: folds
ginndaniels: folds
delapaso: folds
djalexlee joins the table at seat #1
maxkruder: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [ ]
maxkruder: checks
Rodders: bets $1.50
maxkruder: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [ ] []
maxkruder: bets $1.50
Rodders: ??

Simple shove right?

[nosey-p]

Yep, shove for me if he has trips so be it.  

[AAroddersAA]

Cheers Wayne (well played in Nottingham btw), did shove and was good. But wondered what people thought the strange bet on the turn meant, probably nothing.

Dropped $60 tonight anyway - I suck :-)

Any opinions on this one are also welcome

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=54895.0

[Fatcatstu]

agree with wayne, his bet just looks...rubbish tbh.

[Fatcatstu]

re handd on blonde.... feels like 910 alot of the time to me just looking at it.

pre, i am naturally more inclined to be aggressive so i prob 3 bet, but calling feels ok too.

its just such i random board for way han plays, he MAY have flopped a set, and been able to slow play it, but then shoving a straighty river would be awful IMO.

I reckon i just sigh fold and move on.

Not that im much good at Omalol. Just my thoughts

[noble1]

[AAroddersAA]

Thanks Noble. Good post, I will respond later though because I still think shoving in the NLHE hand is better (being a fish and all *lol*) would you make a smaller raise?

[Fatcatstu]

Not that im much good at Omalol. Just my thoughts

just thought i would re itterate this point.

i just think that, through my experience, just ramming all your chips into a pot where you dont have the nuts in omaha is a bad idea lol, would personally just check it back and move on to the next hand. obv dont know how the villain thinks tho.

[AAroddersAA]

Not that im much good at Omalol. Just my thoughts

just thought i would re itterate this point.

i just think that, through my experience, just ramming all your chips into a pot where you dont have the nuts in omaha is a bad idea lol, would personally just check it back and move on to the next hand. obv dont know how the villain thinks tho.

Me too, as evidenced below

PokerStars Game #66850224112:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2011/09/01 8:25:03 ET
Table "Gotha IV" 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: CardBrute ($12.03 in chips)
Seat 2: adi tevi ($23.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Successful68 ($8.03 in chips)
Seat 4: AAroddersAA ($26.14 in chips)
Seat 5: elvis210981 ($10.37 in chips)
Seat 6: greenmih ($9.80 in chips)
Successful68: posts small blind $0.05
AAroddersAA: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AAroddersAA [ Td ]
elvis210981: folds
greenmih: raises $0.20 to $0.30
CardBrute: folds
adi tevi: folds
Successful68: folds
AAroddersAA: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [ Ts]
AAroddersAA: checks
greenmih: bets $0.62
AAroddersAA: calls $0.62
*** TURN *** [ Ts] []
AAroddersAA: checks
greenmih: bets $1.80
AAroddersAA: calls $1.80
*** RIVER *** [ Ts ] []
AAroddersAA: checks
greenmih: bets $5.22
AAroddersAA: calls $5.22
*** SHOW DOWN ***
greenmih: shows [ ] (four of a kind, Eights)
AAroddersAA: mucks hand
greenmih collected $15.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.93 | Rake $0.78
Board [ Ts ]
Seat 1: CardBrute folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 2: adi tevi (button) folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 3: Successful68 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: AAroddersAA (big blind) mucked [ Td ]
Seat 5: elvis210981 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 6: greenmih showed [ ] and won ($15.15) with four of a kind, Eights

[AAroddersAA]

Played some more PLO today. Can be really tough when it is not going your way, I was down by about $40, which means I am just over $100 (4 buy-ins) down the last two days. I have made some mistakes and could have saved some money here and there but have definitely run bad. That"s not an excuse though there have been spots where I should have saved money. I am going to spend some time on odds oracle tonight to try and see if I can improve my play in 3-bet pots as this seems to be where I am struggling most.

[AAroddersAA]

Just a quick post away from poker.

I have been playing APAT regularly for nearly two years. I have said many times that I have met some great people who I hope I am fortunate enough to call friends now.

Leigh recently posted that he is taking break from APAT. When I first started playing APAT properly at the 2010 Welsh Nationals it was the welcome given by a lot of people but especially the organizers (Leigh and Tighty) that convinced me to go back and play at the Vic. Welcoming new people and making them feel comfortable is really important with something like this and the fact the guy"s in charge did this was one of the things that brought me back.

Just wanted to say thanks on here to Leigh for all the work he put into APAT I never waited for more than an hour for a reply to a PM/email I sent him and he was always helpful. We all obviously wish him the best for the future. Hopefully we will see Leigh back at the tables next year :-)

[AAroddersAA]

hmmm not the best move imho guys, are u looking at this in the right way?  cash is about extracting value, is just shoving all in going to be the best EV move?
of course it can be player specific, there is always that, but, really [dramatic pause] shove??

Sorry for taking so long to actually put a response to this together but I wanted to make sure I did a good one. (because Noble has an excellent point here)
Is shoving to go be the most +EV move? I think it is.

He has called a standard raise preflop so I have no idea what he could have at that point. Flop comes down fairly dry (an unlikely straight draw). The King is a good card for me as it hits some of his range.

I "c-bet" for around 3/4 pot and he calls. With so few draws out there, he could have a King or a pair like nines or tens. Yes he could also have a set and if he does it"s nh at this point.

The turn changes nothing but puts a flush draw out there but unless he has something like KQs then it doesn"t help him. We have a pot that is around $5 and he bets $1.50 into it leaving him with about $10 behind. I really do think he has something at this point and calling just seems terrible (there is just not enough air in his range that he is going to barrel on the river). I also think it"s likely he has the king. So I am going to raise. The most sensible raise size is going to be a shove. It would be really unusual for him to call a raise to say $5 but not call an allin. Also even if he does then the river might make the board more scary and even if we are still ahead we may miss value.

I would therefore suggest than in this spot shoving for value is the right play. The only reason to not to raise is if we think he has nothing and will bet the river, I think we lose value with this play.

[AMRN]

hmmm not the best move imho guys, are u looking at this in the right way?  cash is about extracting value, is just shoving all in going to be the best EV move?
of course it can be player specific, there is always that, but, really [dramatic pause] shove??

Sorry for taking so long to actually put a response to this together but I wanted to make sure I did a good one. (because Noble has an excellent point here)
Is shoving to go be the most +EV move? I think it is.

He has called a standard raise preflop so I have no idea what he could have at that point. Flop comes down fairly dry (an unlikely straight draw). The King is a good card for me as it hits some of his range.

I "c-bet" for around 3/4 pot and he calls. With so few draws out there, he could have a King or a pair like nines or tens. Yes he could also have a set and if he does it"s nh at this point.

The turn changes nothing but puts a flush draw out there but unless he has something like KQs then it doesn"t help him. We have a pot that is around $5 and he bets $1.50 into it leaving him with about $10 behind. I really do think he has something at this point and calling just seems terrible (there is just not enough air in his range that he is going to barrel on the river). I also think it"s likely he has the king. So I am going to raise. The most sensible raise size is going to be a shove. It would be really unusual for him to call a raise to say $5 but not call an allin. Also even if he does then the river might make the board more scary and even if we are still ahead we may miss value.

I would therefore suggest than in this spot shoving for value is the right play. The only reason to not to raise is if we think he has nothing and will bet the river, I think we lose value with this play.

imo very often at these levels, if people are going to call, they will call a min raise, a 3x raise, or a shove.... they have it programmed that they are calling the bet on the river, no matter how large..... so, if you feel you have the best hand, then I think that yes it is +EV to shove. The times that you get called will provide enough value to cover the times that he folds..... and it"s highly likely that if he is folding to a shove, he is folding to a smaller raise anyway.

[AAroddersAA]

Seem to be running bad at PLO at the moment. Dropped more cash at that today so down $150 this week. Made $75 back at holdem so not so bad really.

I am going to play the PLO tournament at 8pm tonight so easy chips there obviously *lol*

I have been playing with odds oracle as well, it"s an excellent piece of software, if you have not tried it I strongly recommend that you have a look at it.

[AAroddersAA]

Lost $100 tonight. I seem to be running really bad atm. The number of folds I have had to make on the river is annoying but I have not done too much wrong. That said I now seem to be down $250 (10 buyins) this week. Reviewing the hands though and looking at the plays I have made there does not seem to be much I am doing wrong, I can see mistakes but there are always going to be and working with odds oracle suggests that most of the plays I am making are good +EV plays. I am putting this week down to mainly running bad, hopefully it will turn it around soon.