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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2011, 16:19:13 PM »
Someone above (siberian) has also confirmed independently from me that the Solent team mates also engaged in collusion by the raiser declaring he had pocket 10s to the BB who was also a Solent player.
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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2011, 16:37:13 PM »


as for snappers comments... human beings are pre-programmed to be inherently selfish. it is part of our psychological make-up. some more than others, but generally speaking we like to get our own way in relationships with other human beings.



True, but as a team player you are required to put those instincts aside temporarily in lieu of the Team objective.

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If however the Doc was to engage in some Team poker activity,  it would undoubtably be wise to take some time to learn and understand the rules and objectives of the game.

All that said, it appears you found yourself in a tough spot made a small mistake but have handled the fallout very well. I may have been a little harsh with some of my post content ( now removed ) but the recent healthy discussion Here is pretty clear about what"s acceptable.


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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2011, 17:37:13 PM »
Ok, this guy broke the rules..... and quite evidently accidentally, and has been punished and to be fair, him and the Sunerland team have taken it very well.........

Unfortunately, disclosing your hand is very bad and cann"t and won"t be tolerated, .......

BUT ??????

Are you telling me no friends/team-mates let each other know their hand at times by MSN/SKYPE/Facebook ETC. that no-one other than the players involved know about ??? I"m suggesting a good few, if not a large majority who have been outraged by this have done and will continue to do so, so maybe as it is actually a team challenge then reviewing what is and isn"t acceptable mab be a better option because as Mr Redfern so wisely pointed out, rules that have no way of being policed or enforced are as much use as chocolate fireguards.

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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2011, 17:41:35 PM »

I put a rather large post on the first page of this thread appologising for his actions and together with disclosure of what i put in my initial PM to Leigh about the incident, for you to say "I"m not particularly satisfied with the attitude of the Sunderland team on this one" is a joke comment.


My issue with your original post was more that it came off as you wanting kudos for having taken the points deduction - sorry if that wasn"t the intent :)

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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2011, 17:45:22 PM »
Okay, enough of this now.

I"m sat here nodding in agreement at a Dan Owston post.

I"m going to go for a lie down.   ;D

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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2011, 17:57:32 PM »
thanks snapper, have read the thread you highlighted, and it sort of makes some sense, though interestingly ends with a comment along the lines of " we shall get back to you once we have thought about it. "  :)

i"ve discussed it off board with the OP and there are no hard feelings either way. it"s a bizzarre set up really, in that you have a tournament where players with a wealth of live experience are playing alongside complete novices who have only played online, or down the pub  with their mates, in a format where the rules are somewhat vague.

on one hand we are being advised soft play will picked up by 888 and players banned, on the other we are told it is to be expected in a team event. as someone totally unused to the team format i actually find it much easier playing on a table without any team-mates, than on one where there are 4 or 5 as i tend to get way too passive. as someone else has pointed out, if you take on a team-mate you get grief off them, if you dont, you get grief off someone else. its especially difficult near the bubble when you have the button with a big stack and 2 of them are in the blinds with short stacks, as you feel obliged to fold, and this goes against all your natural instincts in that spot. it"s also diminishing your chances to win the thing and costing you money, simply to  assist complete strangers, who may well not do the same for you if the roles were reversed.

obviously that maybe different in teams where all the players are friends and you can second guess their intentions, but i have never met anyone on my team, and still don"t really understand what i"m meant to be doing. ultimately what i did last night has cost sunderland a point, which i feel pretty **** about, but both me and al apologised to leigh straight after the game and had no problem with the decision. as far as i"m concerned it"s done with and for the sake of the team i will probably just watch from now on.

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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2011, 18:07:53 PM »

as far as i"m concerned it"s done with and for the sake of the team i will probably just watch from now on.


Wash your mouth out. Look at Crouchy last week in Madrid. What happened in the next game on Saturday??? He won his team 3 points.
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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2011, 18:13:47 PM »


as far as i"m concerned it"s done with and for the sake of the team i will probably just watch from now on.


Wash your mouth out. Look at Crouchy last week in Madrid. What happened in the next game on Saturday??? He won his team 3 points.
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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2011, 18:35:56 PM »
This was bound to happen and the reason why Jack pointed out that I am not participating.

Too much of a grey area for me.

The Sunderland lads did it in the chatbox. Maybe other teams are using other methods?

Whilst it"s not enforceable I won"t be playing the league games.

Doubt many will care. Just my two cents
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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2011, 18:44:46 PM »

This was bound to happen and the reason why Jack pointed out that I am not participating.

Too much of a grey area for me.

The Sunderland lads did it in the chatbox. Maybe other teams are using other methods?

Whilst it"s not enforceable I won"t be playing the league games.

Doubt many will care. Just my two cents


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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2011, 20:13:07 PM »

......We all make mistakes (Ask my Wife !!)  


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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2011, 21:25:38 PM »

This was bound to happen and the reason why Jack pointed out that I am not participating.

Too much of a grey area for me.

The Sunderland lads did it in the chatbox. Maybe other teams are using other methods?

Whilst it"s not enforceable I won"t be playing the league games.

Doubt many will care. Just my two cents


Didn"t you nearly win a WSOP package for your 2 cents ??

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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2011, 21:27:58 PM »

Okay, enough of this now.

I"m sat here nodding in agreement at a Dan Owston post.

I"m going to go for a lie down.   ;D


What"s that supposed to mean ?? ;-/

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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2011, 21:30:03 PM »
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Re: REALLY angry.....is this collusion ?
« Reply #74 on: April 11, 2011, 21:58:22 PM »
Im glad this has been sorted and the correct action taken. I apologise if it got a bit heated in the chat box but when your up against 3/4 people from the same team and it appears they are colluding then ofcourse me and my West Mids team mate are not going to be very happy.

Lets forget about this now :)
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