APAT UK Team Championship - October 2011 - Discussion Thread

[PHIL_TC]

Will there be a Sunday side event at this?

What would you like?

I can arrange one

Tighty SNG"s

[nosey-p]

It"s also been moved closer to London so as to prefer the current champions!  

Or Not.

Or not for me  

[AceOnTheRiver]

Will there be a Sunday side event at this?

What would you like?

I can arrange one

Great. Last Year"s PL Stud was good fun. PLO8 is good although we have had one of those this season. Last year"s Razz at The Vic was fun and I don"t think we"ve had one since. Do Luton have enough dealers who can deal 2-7 Triple draw or is that a silly suggestion?

PL Stud gets my vote but I"d be happy with any of the above just don"t make it PLO as Ger will feel obliged to laugh and point at me!

[Sugar_Free]

thanks but we are looking oversubscribed

As always.

I had an idea today so I thought I"d best write it down, feel free to tell me why it won"t work. There seem to be plenty of players in this every year who make it through to the last 50, score points for their team but have no chance to make it to the team medals so only have the solo prize to go for. Likewise, there are always plenty of forums (fora?) who apply but don"t make the cut. Why not make it so that the top 10/15 teams in this year get automatically into next years event, while the rest have to playoff online, say 6-8 weeks beforehand,  for the remaining places along with the other teams who wish to enter, same format (8 players per team, screen names announced before the event) except that with online results every team member"s position could count. This way, everyone who scores points in the main event will be affecting their team, and also every forum interested has a chance of playing.

Matt

[AMRN]

thanks but we are looking oversubscribed

As always.

I had an idea today so I thought I"d best write it down, feel free to tell me why it won"t work. There seem to be plenty of players in this every year who make it through to the last 50, score points for their team but have no chance to make it to the team medals so only have the solo prize to go for. Likewise, there are always plenty of forums (fora?) who apply but don"t make the cut. Why not make it so that the top 10/15 teams in this year get automatically into next years event, while the rest have to playoff online, say 6-8 weeks beforehand,  for the remaining places along with the other teams who wish to enter, same format (8 players per team, screen names announced before the event) except that with online results every team member"s position could count. This way, everyone who scores points in the main event will be affecting their team, and also every forum interested has a chance of playing.

Matt

Well Rich, there"s something for you to chew on............   imo a decent concept.

[Paulie_D]

thanks but we are looking oversubscribed

As always.

I had an idea today so I thought I"d best write it down, feel free to tell me why it won"t work. There seem to be plenty of players in this every year who make it through to the last 50, score points for their team but have no chance to make it to the team medals so only have the solo prize to go for. Likewise, there are always plenty of forums (fora?) who apply but don"t make the cut. Why not make it so that the top 10/15 teams in this year get automatically into next years event, while the rest have to playoff online, say 6-8 weeks beforehand,  for the remaining places along with the other teams who wish to enter, same format (8 players per team, screen names announced before the event) except that with online results every team member"s position could count. This way, everyone who scores points in the main event will be affecting their team, and also every forum interested has a chance of playing.

Matt

Well Rich, there"s something for you to chew on............   imo a decent concept.

Sure...but we"ve hashed this over before.

The only team (AFAIK) guaranteed a place are the previous year"s winners (Thank God).

EDIT: Except for, perhaps, an APAT Team.

Every forum/team has to re-apply and while there will be repeats they are all judged on what they can bring to APAT. Once again, this event is like no other in APAT (except, perhaps, for this year"s Pub Event).

It"s not about making the existing membership happy, it"s about bringing new people into the APAT fold.

Guaranteeing the top 10/15 teams from last year get in doesn"t do that.

Factor in that the "online" element suggested doesn"t work for forums that have drop-outs or want to have the option of picking from a larger player base and the whole thing falls apart.

Like I said, this has all been hashed over more than once.

[Jon MW]

thanks but we are looking oversubscribed

As always.

I had an idea today so I thought I"d best write it down, feel free to tell me why it won"t work. There seem to be plenty of players in this every year who make it through to the last 50, score points for their team but have no chance to make it to the team medals so only have the solo prize to go for. Likewise, there are always plenty of forums (fora?) who apply but don"t make the cut. Why not make it so that the top 10/15 teams in this year get automatically into next years event, while the rest have to playoff online, say 6-8 weeks beforehand,  for the remaining places along with the other teams who wish to enter, same format (8 players per team, screen names announced before the event) except that with online results every team member"s position could count. This way, everyone who scores points in the main event will be affecting their team, and also every forum interested has a chance of playing.

Matt

Well Rich, there"s something for you to chew on............   imo a decent concept.

Sure...but we"ve hashed this over before.

The only team (AFAIK) guaranteed a place are the previous year"s winners (Thank God).

EDIT: Except for, perhaps, an APAT Team.

Every forum/team has to re-apply and while there will be repeats they are all judged on what they can bring to APAT. Once again, this event is like no other in APAT (except, perhaps, for this year"s Pub Event).

It"s not about making the existing membership happy, it"s about bringing new people into the APAT fold.

Guaranteeing the top 10/15 teams from last year get in doesn"t do that.

Factor in that the "online" element suggested doesn"t work for forums that have drop-outs or want to have the option of picking from a larger player base and the whole thing falls apart.

Like I said, this has all been hashed over more than once.

I think the relegation/promotion idea is definitely worth considering.

If the bottom 3 teams were relegated it would give those who were definitely getting a place longer to plan and schedule, it would also guarantee that there would have to be a new mix of teams each year - without it being a completely new competition.

The online factor would be a worry though - primarily live teams plus teams with close affiliations to an online site which wasn"t the sponsor (Black Belt, Betfair, The Hendon Mob (maybe?)  for example) might have difficulty in getting a team of players to play for a competitor site - meaning once relegated they"d stay relegated.

I don"t see a problem with relegation of the bottom 3 teams and promotion decided by APAT management - i.e. similar to now but with guaranteed relegation and with longer for the teams definitely in to be able to plan.

[Sugar_Free]

Sure...but we"ve hashed this over before.

The only team (AFAIK) guaranteed a place are the previous year"s winners (Thank God).

EDIT: Except for, perhaps, an APAT Team.

Agree with the APAT forum team getting a wildcard (if needed)

Every forum/team has to re-apply and while there will be repeats they are all judged on what they can bring to APAT. Once again, this event is like no other in APAT (except, perhaps, for this year"s Pub Event).

It"s not about making the existing membership happy, it"s about bringing new people into the APAT fold.

Guaranteeing the top 10/15 teams from last year get in doesn"t do that.

And when you can"t get a full team from your forum, making up the balance of your team from APAT regs does?

Factor in that the "online" element suggested doesn"t work for forums that have drop-outs or want to have the option of picking from a larger player base and the whole thing falls apart.

Why can"t you pick 8 players from however large a player base you have? You"ll have to do it for the live event! As for dropouts, doesn"t every forum have a chance of that?

Like I said, this has all been hashed over more than once.

[Paulie_D]

I think the relegation/promotion idea is definitely worth considering.

If the bottom 3 teams were relegated it would give those who were definitely getting a place longer to plan and schedule, it would also guarantee that there would have to be a new mix of teams each year - without it being a completely new competition.



I don"t see a problem with relegation of the bottom 3 teams and promotion decided by APAT management - i.e. similar to now but with guaranteed relegation but with longer for the teams definitely in to be able to plan.

Jon, I see where you"re coming from but again I say, this isn"t a league or "top 10%" thing that APAT are running here.

Let us suppose that Larry Murphy"s ( ) experiences an explosion of members and they all love playing poker. Perhaps only one or two them have ever heard of APAT but (and this is the overriding factor) they all want to be involved where they haven"t been before.

By letting them in (perhaps ousting Blonde?) APAT might gain hundreds of new eager members.

Under any of the proposed schemes this just wouldn"t happen.

Forums/Teams don"t earn a place in this specific event by being the best at online poker or even live poker, it"s about growing APAT and the criteria for entry are completely different

I"m more than happy for Des/Richard decide on the best way forward on this type of event.

[Paulie_D]

And when you can"t get a full team from your forum, making up the balance of your team from APAT regs does?

OK, you have me there but it was an exceptional situtaion.

Why can"t you pick 8 players from however large a player base you have? You"ll have to do it for the live event! As for dropouts, doesn"t every forum have a chance of that?

But you want to the whole forum to play the online element in the hope of being selected? What if only 4 of them are any good but finish well in the online...does the whole team get selected?

[Jon MW]

I think the relegation/promotion idea is definitely worth considering.

If the bottom 3 teams were relegated it would give those who were definitely getting a place longer to plan and schedule, it would also guarantee that there would have to be a new mix of teams each year - without it being a completely new competition.



I don"t see a problem with relegation of the bottom 3 teams and promotion decided by APAT management - i.e. similar to now but with guaranteed relegation but with longer for the teams definitely in to be able to plan.

Jon, I see where you"re coming from but again I say, this isn"t a league or "top 10%" thing that APAT are running here.

Let us suppose that Larry Murphy"s ( ) experiences an explosion of members and they all love playing poker. Perhaps only one or two them have ever heard of APAT but (and this is the overriding factor) they all want to be involved where they haven"t been before.

By letting them in (perhaps ousting Blonde?) APAT might gain hundreds of new eager members.

Under any of the proposed schemes this just wouldn"t happen.

Forums/Teams don"t earn a place in this specific event by being the best at online poker or even live poker, it"s about growing APAT and the criteria for entry are completely different

I"m more than happy for Des/Richard decide on the best way forward on this type of event.

errrr really, did you read what I wrote?

Guaranteed relegation for the bottom 3 teams to be replaced with another 3 teams who may or may not have been a part of the team championships before.

How does that not meet your criteria?

EDIT: the only way it"s different is that most teams will know in advance they"ll be playing - it means that a whole set of 10 teams can"t be introduced in one year, for example, but how likely is that to happen anyway?

[Sugar_Free]

And when you can"t get a full team from your forum, making up the balance of your team from APAT regs does?

OK, you have me there but it was an exceptional situtaion. And thank God you did Paulie lol

Why can"t you pick 8 players from however large a player base you have? You"ll have to do it for the live event! As for dropouts, doesn"t every forum have a chance of that?

But you want to the whole forum to play the online element in the hope of being selected? What if only 4 of them are any good but finish well in the online...does the whole team get selected? How you select your team is up to you, play a prequalifier qualifier, pick your best online players then change them for the live event if you like, or some other way, its up to the team captain. All I"m saying is you"ll have to pick 8 for the live event from the whole forum regardless of size, why not the qualifier?

[Paulie_D]

How you select your team is up to you, play a prequalifier qualifier, pick your best online players then change them for the live event if you like, or some other way, its up to the team captain. All I"m saying is you"ll have to pick 8 for the live event from the whole forum regardless of size, why not the qualifier?[

Because you seem to be saying that the online qualifier will decide whether your team gets in based on one or two results...and that doesn"t work for this event.

It won"t because it"s not about how good they are...it"s about expanding APAT.

Believe me, the current APAT membership is gagging to have a bucketload of new fish involved.

[Paulie_D]

errrr really, did you read what I wrote?

Not really, because, with all due respect, you"re missing my message.

This isn"t about being the best forum team, it"s about bringing new people to APAT.

What if blonde do really well at this years event but come next year there are only 10 of you posting in there but there"s a half a dozen new forums with 100k members gagging to get in?

What if you relegate a forum because they failed this year but they add 100k new users in the intervening 12 months?

At the moment, all but two teams are relegated and have to re-qualify under the criteria I"ve set out before. Isn"t that better?

[morlspin]

Just to confirm, PuntersLounge have applied and would be honoured to play again

GL with the selections