What would you do?

[Denis67]

New to these kinds of posts but would be interested to know what your plan was for your hand when you made the initial raise? Were you just trying to get it through and pick up a few chips or did you have a plan in case you were called?  It wasn"t a bad flop for your hand once you were called so maybe try to give them the wrong odds to continue if you think they are drawing etc?  I realise that players often do that and are still called and lose the hand but we are supposed to feel OK about it as we got in in good.  Several pints of Guinness and the odd bottle of red wine here and there help when this happens.  In fact the more I have the better I feel about it.  I have sometimes had so much that I have even been known to completely forget about it.      

[NewLimproved]

New to these kinds of posts but would be interested to know what your plan was for your hand when you made the initial raise? Were you just trying to get it through and pick up a few chips or did you have a plan in case you were called?  It wasn"t a bad flop for your hand once you were called so maybe try to give them the wrong odds to continue if you think they are drawing etc?  I realise that players often do that and are still called and lose the hand but we are supposed to feel OK about it as we got in in good.  Several pints of Guinness and the odd bottle of red wine here and there help when this happens.  In fact the more I have the better I feel about it.  I have sometimes had so much that I have even been known to completely forget about it.      

Basically I was narrowing the field.  If i limped It encourages others to limp for value.
So my >3xbb raise looks strong & narrowed the field down from potentially 7 opponents to 2.
The early position player i had some info on her as i had played against her before and kind of expected a call and a fold to a cbet.  The villan I assumed wasnt that strong and was in the pot getting value with the call.
The  villans flop bet immediately made me think he was drawing to the flush thats why i re-raised him to 8k (after reading the replies I should have moved allin to make his decision more difficult)   When the turn came out a brick I had no other option but to move allin at this point, I didnt expect the villan to fold now for only 11k only dissapointed at the result not the call

[noble1]

(after reading the replies I should have moved allin to make his decision more difficult)

read through it again........

[NewLimproved]

(after reading the replies I should have moved allin to make his decision more difficult)

read through it again........

LOL

[AAroddersAA]

Flop is clear call.

Why is it is a clear call?

If you call what is your plan on the turn do we have to stack off on any non ace non heart card that comes down? Or are we re-evaluating if he bets strongly on the turn? Calling does give us this extra info.

What do we do if an Ace or a heart does come down?

Not too sure I like the call option in this spot as there are too many ways it can go wrong. I would probably shove, he can fold his air I don"t think it is a huge part of his range but I think draws might be?

I would push fwiw

[noble1]

work out the ev of shoving flop...
work out the ev of a call....

which one do u think will be the most?

an ace,jack or a heart will drop 32% of the time..

more to ponder -
the really important thing is to maximize value versus hands that can pay you off and get away from hands you are behind to..
if u rr top pair hands like this how would u exploit yourselves?
scenario - utg folded pre and watched hero get jiggy to the donk bet on a 2suited flop, hero has doubled up.. Hero gets dealt AA the very next hand and raises, utg is now the BB and is the only caller..
flop - 3 8 Q 2hearts
the BB leads out 1/3 pot, hero re-raises his over pair, BB re-raises all in, hero calls...
whoops the BB has 88 and hero misses his 2outs to redraw...
just unlucky or was hero exploited ?

[George2Loose]

Flop is clear call.

Why is it is a clear call?

If you call what is your plan on the turn do we have to stack off on any non ace non heart card that comes down? Or are we re-evaluating if he bets strongly on the turn? Calling does give us this extra info.

What do we do if an Ace or a heart does come down?

Not too sure I like the call option in this spot as there are too many ways it can go wrong. I would probably shove, he can fold his air I don"t think it is a huge part of his range but I think draws might be?

I would push fwiw

Usually when people lead a flop it"s for two reasons:

1) To fold when raised

2) To jam when raised

I know this didn"t happen in this instance so it might my point a little redundant but on such a wet board I am not happy stacking off here. If you get it in on this flop you"re usually flipping/crushed.

You"re in position with top pair against an amateur player who is probably going to telegraph his hand on the turn. Let a card come off and re-evaluate. You can always overjam brick turns if he checks to you so he has less equity when he calls it off.

Or if he barrells again you can decide if KQ is good and fold/jam.

Raise/folding is by far the poorest option.

[George2Loose]

Oh and I like your sizing pre btw.

[AAroddersAA]

Flop is clear call.

Why is it is a clear call?

If you call what is your plan on the turn do we have to stack off on any non ace non heart card that comes down? Or are we re-evaluating if he bets strongly on the turn? Calling does give us this extra info.

What do we do if an Ace or a heart does come down?

Not too sure I like the call option in this spot as there are too many ways it can go wrong. I would probably shove, he can fold his air I don"t think it is a huge part of his range but I think draws might be?

I would push fwiw

Usually when people lead a flop it"s for two reasons:

1) To fold when raised

2) To jam when raised

I know this didn"t happen in this instance so it might my point a little redundant but on such a wet board I am not happy stacking off here. If you get it in on this flop you"re usually flipping/crushed.

You"re in position with top pair against an amateur player who is probably going to telegraph his hand on the turn. Let a card come off and re-evaluate. You can always overjam brick turns if he checks to you so he has less equity when he calls it off.

Or if he barrells again you can decide if KQ is good and fold/jam.

Raise/folding is by far the poorest option.

Yeah, OK that makes sense, Cheers George :-)

[bhoywonder70]

Some great stuff in here....