Season 6 Discussion

[Foggy]

Everything is perfect Amsterdam for a European venue!

would love to, but Holland Casinos are government owned and prohibit tournaments from third party providers in their country.

Hence you don"t see EPT, WPT etc there either

Didn"t know that, APAT is sooooooooooooooooo educating

[TightEnd]

can we PLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE do Tallinn again? pretty pretty please?

I loved Tallinn. For several reasons not all connected with the poker!

A bit inaccessible though, no?

Not that there is an official policy or anything but I think overseas venues going forward

a) accessible
b) preferably new to APAT ("spread the word"/new members)

Also need a lot of thought on the balance overseas and home legs given feedback so far

[Paulie_D]

Curlage had some very interesting and complimentary things to say about Vilamoura in Portugal.

I think he"s over there now and I recall that he might have (or was going to) mention them to Des & Tighty.

If he doesn"t chime in...somebody poke him.

[jockey]

hi all,very good casino in malaga [benalmadana] at the hotel torreqebrada played there a couple of times.full tilt have some torneys there.plenty of accomadation & easy cheap flights.just a thought.

[Fatcatstu]

can we PLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE do Tallinn again? pretty pretty please?

I loved Tallinn. For several reasons not all connected with the poker!

A bit inaccessible though, no?

Not that there is an official policy or anything but I think overseas venues going forward

a) accessible
b) preferably new to APAT ("spread the word"/new members)

Also need a lot of thought on the balance overseas and home legs given feedback so far

thats fair enough i suppose will probably still go wherever they end up, they are a superb laugh and us who go really really enjoy ourselves. dont get rid of any

[TightEnd]

can we PLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE do Tallinn again? pretty pretty please?

I loved Tallinn. For several reasons not all connected with the poker!

A bit inaccessible though, no?

Not that there is an official policy or anything but I think overseas venues going forward

a) accessible
b) preferably new to APAT ("spread the word"/new members)

Also need a lot of thought on the balance overseas and home legs given feedback so far

thats fair enough i suppose will probably still go wherever they end up, they are a superb laugh and us who go really really enjoy ourselves. dont get rid of any

something has to give though

same number of European events = a majority unhappy at too few UK events

Anyway, we"ll work it out

[AMRN]

to be honest, if you don"t change anything at all, it would still be a great tour and association.

That said, I don"t see the value in the European events - I appreciate the desire to spread the word, but I don"t see much development in those countries after the one off events occur, meaning that realistically, they aren"t much more than holiday events for the APAT regular community....  I would prefer to see those weekends, and the associated effort of the team, better spent hosting an extra UK based event that caters for far more of the APAT community, and attracts far more new future regulars.

[BOINGBLITZ]

Tighty....you commented on most of my points, yet nothing on the C of C ??

[TheSnapper]

Curlage had some very interesting and complimentary things to say about Vilamoura in Portugal.

I think he"s over there now and I recall that he might have (or was going to) mention them to Des & Tighty.

If he doesn"t chime in...somebody poke him.

May have changed lately but afaik poker in Portugal is very strictly regulated.

[Des]

Tighty....you commented on most of my points, yet nothing on the C of C ??

Personally speaking, I don"t really see the point in this event.  

[SirPercival]

What about an APAT Virgins event? (or APAT Beginners)

Running alongside the regular £75 event it could be something like a £25 buy-in and only available to players who have never played an APAT before. (Difficult to police I know but some trust has to be allowed).

My thinking is that we all have WAGs/HABs, parents, children, friends etc. who might want to play a proper poker event but have never plucked up the courage to enter the unfamilar.

I think this is more in-keeping with the values of APAT and brings in new members rather than a closed shop event like a CoC.

[Paulie_D]

Curlage had some very interesting and complimentary things to say about Vilamoura in Portugal.

I think he"s over there now and I recall that he might have (or was going to) mention them to Des & Tighty.

If he doesn"t chime in...somebody poke him.

May have changed lately but afaik poker in Portugal is very strictly regulated.

It is...but Curlage has a contact at the Casino there and seemed to think there wasn"t anything that couldn"t be overcome.

I recall that Spain was pretty strict too and that went OK.

Plus if we do it in early 2013 we have plenty of time to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s.

[Paulie_D]

[RioRodent]

Live

- Countries  

Slovenia is good; Perla Hotel & Casino in Nova Gorica is a quality hotel at a good price (for poker players), hotel provides transfers from Trieste or Venice FOC.

I really like Lloret and would gladly return. I heard a suggestion that Madrid may be on the cards? (Juan having moved casinos?)... I"ve not done any research, but I would expect that capital city accomodation prices will be much higher than out of season holiday resort?

- Structure
- Buy in
- Pay structure

Fine as they are, except... Deals should be allowed in UK tournaments, as they already are [have been] in forgein events.

- Added value

Staying "Juice Free" is more important than added value. Every player benefits from this, not just the winner.

- Trophies / medals

Not a popular view I know but, they are not important to me. If sponsor"s cash is limited then imo priority should be 1. Juice free tournaments; 2. Added Value; 3. Trophies.

- Streaming

Not worth the expense.

- Live updates

Excellent, hopefully to be continued.

- Team events

Too many

- Formats, ie reentry, rebuys, etc

Re-entries are terrible, especially not suited to a situation where the juice is being paid by a sponsor. Generally I"m not a fan of re-buys.

- Guarantees

Not necessary.

- Schedule, ie is one event a month right, etc

Yes, but as has already been pointed out, the schedule needs to be more balanced with the individual national events more evenly spread through the year to maitain interest of the majority.

Other

- Forum

Generally OK. Too much space taken up at the top of the page with banners.

- Main site

Don"t like it and hardly ever visit it. I, as several APAT newcomers have commented, find it very un-userfriendly.

- Facebook Group

Have an account but don"t really use it. I unjoined the APAT group because of the [too] numerous email notifications.

- Twitter

Haven"t bothered following APAT on twitter, I assume the same info gets tweeted that I didn"t want to keep receiving by [facebook] email.

- Any other thoughts or ideas that you may have beyond the above.

Poker calendar congestion and clash avoidance has been mentioned earlier in the thread... I see no reason why APAT needs to worry about clashes with any tournament with a buy-in in excess of £150.

[Moocher]

My Twopenniesworth
If it aint broke,, dont fix it

Venues
DTD must stay as the Main Event

G casinos Walsall or Coventry for the Midlands (not both)

Blackpool for an individual event

Brighton? Why not?  Maybe a bit pricey on accommodation but worth the trip IMO

Dublin to be sure, to be sure

Scotland, Och Aye!!  Glasgow or Edinburgh for logistics reasons

Wales, Swansea or Cardiff, unless Rhyl has a casino?

Yorkshire getting some support, love to, beautiful place to stagger through at 4am

Events
As you were this year at once a month but a little better spread maybe, after DTD MAIN EVENT this year, there isnt an event for the solo player on a budget, (Luton - team event, Las Vegas - miles away, London- Masters pro-am,), and the amateur budget player is APATs target? This is NOT a complaint but an observation.(before I get jumped on   )

And on that theme, I read an earlier post which didnt support the Pub Team Challenge in Blackpool this year. I fully support that event and REALLY REALLY REALLY hope it stays on the calender, in a seaside town too. I took a team from my local pub and thats 7 NEW players itching to play APAT events again, surely this is APATS target audience again?
I would even put that event on twice a year, maybe 8 player teams followed by 4 player teams (early season and late season) to encourage new talent to join

Events overseas
No opinion, as long as its not detrimental to the UK series

Buy-ins
As you are, £75 and £50, maybe an odd £25 side event ( credit crunch still hurts, note the ""big guns"" playing the Genting poker player game at £150 buy in?)  

Online
Pick a site that doesnt crash repeatedly, that is all

Thats my opinion (for now)

Mooch