Season 6 Discussion

[Des]

Debate is very healthy and very encouraged.

[Swinebag]

[nosey-p]

No support for the TWAC

[TightEnd]

No support for the TWAC

Open to all ideas

the problems I see are

a) It"s against what APAT provides, and is known for....deep structure good clock MTTs. I don"t see what it adds to APAT as an orgainisation, or a player base looking for value for money

b) If you want to hold it alongside National Amateur events, is this in addition to or instead of side events or a cash tour? If you want it to be a weekend in its own right, well something has to give from a national amateur schedule or the budget has to be higher....

c) depending on your answer to b) if its to be run alongside a planned weekend most venues are not going to be able to resource all three, or a turbo/national simultaneously.

I like the idea of new concepts, we"ve done a load..just not sure a turbo is one of those. as unscientific back up to that, I"ve never heard anyone ask for one until now!

[AMRN]

Instead of TWAP.... let"s have a coin flip contest. We could use 2p coins in the main event, £1 coins in the high roller, and £5 coins in the super high roller.      

Hope the side events continue this year - I"ve never found anywhere else to play live Omaha, Omaha8, Razz, and Stud.

There are cash games in abundance, so personal preference is in favour of the alternative side events rather than the cash tour.

[Paulie_D]

..all the major tours used to play 10k stacks but have moved on to larger stacks. I seem to recall that one of APAT's objectives was to provide a "learning ground" for players to introduce themselves to the tour market, and the 10k deepstack gave that tour tournament structure but at a lower buy in.... Is there not a case that APAT needs to keep up with the changing market if it is to continue to provide the learning ground to the tour events?

From my point of view, these other tours have higher buy-ins and have to provide "better value" to justify the extra expenditure. To many, "better value" is often synonymous with "more chips".

We know that this isn"t necessarily the case.

There are cash games in abundance, so personal preference is in favour of the alternative side events rather than the cash tour.

I think, AFAIK, that Des has always made it clear that the Cash Tour was never intended to act as a replacement for the Sunday side events.

[amcgrath1uk]

As someone who is relatively new to APAT, I just want to say the starting stacks and structure are spot on. If there is to be an increase in starting stacks, then as others have mentioned, to get to finished at a decent time on the Sunday, you"d have to lose levels. For me, I"d keep it as it is. The current structure creates pressure for the players at the right times, without ever turning into a crapshoot.

I"ve never had the opportunity to play Omaha, Razz and Stud live, and would love the opportunity ( especially as it"s not expensive).

[nosey-p]

No support for the TWAC

Open to all ideas

the problems I see are

a) It"s against what APAT provides, and is known for....deep structure good clock MTTs. I don"t see what it adds to APAT as an orgainisation, or a player base looking for value for money

b) If you want to hold it alongside National Amateur events, is this in addition to or instead of side events or a cash tour? If you want it to be a weekend in its own right, well something has to give from a national amateur schedule or the budget has to be higher....

c) depending on your answer to b) if its to be run alongside a planned weekend most venues are not going to be able to resource all three, or a turbo/national simultaneously.

I like the idea of new concepts, we"ve done a load..just not sure a turbo is one of those. as unscientific back up to that, I"ve never heard anyone ask for one until now!

I was thinking of a standalone weekend, just something different. Testing the water rely to see if they was any interest in it

I like to put forward the idea of a shootout for a side event  

Instead of TWAP.... let"s have a coin flip contest. We could use 2p coins in the main event, £1 coins in the high roller, and £5 coins in the super high roller.      

It's a good job I know you or I could have taken this the wrong way.  Just trying to think of new ideas

[AMRN]

It's a good job I know you or I could have taken this the wrong way.  Just trying to think of new ideas

Wouldn"t have responded that way if I didn"t know you could take it Wayne    you gotta admit though, it has potential merit at the bar late on a Saturday night, particularly with Ger in the game


as for new ideas, the WCOAP gives some great value for the mixed game players with HORSE, Stud, and Omaha on the table.... I wonder if we might be able to go a bit further with 2-7TD, or better still an 8-game tourney?  (would be tough on the dealers though)

[Des]

National Online League announcement to follow before close of play on Wednesday.

[Swinebag]

Love the idea of a shootout as a side event

say capped at 50 runners. 10 x 5 tables for the first round. Top 2 from each table qualify and take their chips with them to the final table of 10. Do it

[Paulie_D]

Love the idea of a shootout as a side event

say capped at 50 runners. 10 x 5 tables for the first round. Top 2 from each table qualify and take their chips with them to the final table of 10. Do it

Ditto

Thing is too...I think you could stick another event on after the initial shootouts have taken place...No?

[ronaldo07]

Like the shootout side event idea nice one.

Also would like the return of a day 1 dinner break even if no buffet please!!

[Newportlad]

Nothing wrong with the structure or 10K starting stack. Seems to work very well to find a winner during a weekend which is what APAT is all about (ie no need to play on a work day).
However, if numbers of entrants continue to drop (as happened last year), then maybe a move to 15K might not lead to early finishes (Cork stands out an as example).

[MintTrav]

I"ve seen local tournaments with 50,000 and even 100,000 starting stacks, but it"s meaningless once the blinds take off. It"s all about the structure, innit?