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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #555 on: February 19, 2012, 14:15:45 PM »
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I don"t know... anyone would think that the announcement of some team event lead to people losing interest in this?

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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #556 on: February 19, 2012, 14:22:39 PM »
Yes, will be adding some further discussion points around this prior to an announcement later in the week / weekend.
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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #557 on: February 19, 2012, 21:03:27 PM »
please dont think im stupid but is it 888 to buy into a season 6 event or pokerstars xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #558 on: February 19, 2012, 21:10:34 PM »

please dont think im stupid but is it 888 to buy into a season 6 event or pokerstars xxxxxxxxxxxxx


It hasn"t been announced for the season six live events yet Rita.  Later this week you should know a little more.  It"s PokerStars for the online league.
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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #559 on: February 19, 2012, 21:17:12 PM »
thanks for that des will register for stars xx

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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #560 on: February 19, 2012, 21:23:57 PM »

thanks for that des will register for stars xx


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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #561 on: February 20, 2012, 16:09:48 PM »
As APAT prepare to annouce further season six details towards the end of this week, there are still a few decisions that we have yet to finalise.  I"m going to share these with you as they are very important and your feedback could tip the balance one way or another.

1)  Registration Fee

Whether to add a registration fee is the single biggest decision facing APAT at the moment. 

APAT has paid the registration fee of every player who has played a live Championship event with us over the past five years and I said earlier in this thread, that"s something that I"m very proud of.  However, the poker market is going through a very challenging time right now.  There is also a wealth of live options available to poker budget holders, who can often acquire players more competitively through google search campaigns and signup offers. 

As the owner of the APAT budget, I found myself in the strange position last year of wanting to run smaller tournaments later in the season to ensure we were able to make our budget work as hard as we could.  This is a conflicting position, because in requiring smaller number tournaments, we end up not promoting the events to our membership as a whole and clearly that"s a viscious circle we need to get out of. 

The addition of a 10% registration fee - which would go in its entirity to the venue to cover their costs - would enable us to promote our events hard again, and I feel that it is essential that we get back in growth mode.

What do you guys think, because if we go ahead with a reg fee, ultimately it"s going to cost you money when you play?

2)  Scheduling

For the past two seasons in particular, APAT has run a National Live event every month.  In my opinion it"s too much. 

I think it must be challenging for so many of our members to be able to travel and play on a monthly basis and similarly it is difficult to effectively promote as there is too much going to between the live events, online championship events, online league, not to mention satellites and direct buy in events. 

My view is that we should go to a Festival style weekend once every two months.  That gives us more time to run satellites and promote the events hard.  Over the festival weekend, I can see us having the Online Championship event on the Thursday night, a member get together on the Friday night, the main event over Saturday and Sunday, a live event on Saturday night, a live event on Sunday afternoon and a one table Cash Tour event over the weekend also.

3)  Winners packages

We"ve offered live professional event entries to all of our winners for the past five years.  An idea that we are considering is to offer the winner of every live and online event this year a World Championship of Amateur Poker passport, offering the main event and three side event entries.  Although the value of this prize may be a little less than a Genting entry for example, it feels like a great idea to me to have every Amateur and Online Champion together at the WCOAP, where we can also add the Awards night, and create something really huge.  What do you guys think?  
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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #562 on: February 20, 2012, 16:35:57 PM »
I for one dont have a problem with reg fees,,especially if it helps apat to grow,,,also your views on the schedule seem to make perfect sense,,,i have always liked however the added value of a gukpt or ukipt seat for tournament winners,,its nice to then follow the apat players in these events and see how they do at the next level of poker !!
  Looking forward to season 6 whatever is decided,,,keep up the good work !!!

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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #563 on: February 20, 2012, 16:38:09 PM »

As APAT prepare to annouce further season six details towards the end of this week, there are still a few decisions that we have yet to finalise.  I"m going to share these with you as they are very important and your feedback could tip the balance one way or another.

1)  Registration Fee

Whether to add a registration fee is the single biggest decision facing APAT at the moment. 

APAT has paid the registration fee of every player who has played a live Championship event with us over the past five years and I said earlier in this thread, that"s something that I"m very proud of.  However, the poker market is going through a very challenging time right now.  There is also a wealth of live options available to poker budget holders, who can often acquire players more competitively through google search campaigns and signup offers. 

As the owner of the APAT budget, I found myself in the strange position last year of wanting to run smaller tournaments later in the season to ensure we were able to make our budget work as hard as we could.  This is a conflicting position, because in requiring smaller number tournaments, we end up not promoting the events to our membership as a whole and clearly that"s a viscious circle we need to get out of. 

The addition of a 10% registration fee - which would go in its entirity to the venue to cover their costs - would enable us to promote our events hard again, and I feel that it is essential that we get back in growth mode.

What do you guys think, because if we go ahead with a reg fee, ultimately it"s going to cost you money when you play?

2)  Scheduling

For the past two seasons in particular, APAT has run a National Live event every month.  In my opinion it"s too much. 

I think it must be challenging for so many of our members to be able to travel and play on a monthly basis and similarly it is difficult to effectively promote as there is too much going to between the live events, online championship events, online league, not to mention satellites and direct buy in events. 

My view is that we should go to a Festival style weekend once every two months.  That gives us more time to run satellites and promote the events hard.  Over the festival weekend, I can see us having the Online Championship event on the Thursday night, a member get together on the Friday night, the main event over Saturday and Sunday, a live event on Saturday night, a live event on Sunday afternoon and a one table Cash Tour event over the weekend also.

3)  Winners packages

We"ve offered live professional event entries to all of our winners for the past five years.  An idea that we are considering is to offer the winner of every live and online event this year a World Championship of Amateur Poker passport, offering the main event and three side event entries.  Although the value of this prize may be a little less than a Genting entry for example, it feels like a great idea to me to have every Amateur and Online Champion together at the WCOAP, where we can also add the Awards night, and create something really huge.  What do you guys think?  



IMHO everything here makes perfect sense.

The market has changed, lets go with it (might like to consider the 15k starting stack also). Even with 10% juice, it"s still a very hard product to beat.

Bi-monthly Live events will hopefully promote more runners and more competition.

Passports are very worthy prize in their own right.

All in all, excellent.
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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #564 on: February 20, 2012, 16:43:19 PM »
A quick response before I cogitate further.

I don"t have a problem with a 10% reg. fee. I know it would be a real heart-breaker for you to have to implement this but in the current market (viz. sponsorship &/or competition) I don"t see any real alternative.

On the schedule side, I"d have to say that while I think there are, perhaps, too many events over a 12 month period, I think that just 6 weekends (and that"s what it basically breaks down to) is not enough...for me.

APAT has a wonderful product and whilst I can foresee that restricting the number of events will drive up the demand for seats I don"t see that there is any capacity to increase the number of available places at the venues of which I am aware...that will lead to people (at least it seems to me) being disappointed in not getting seats and losing interest.

A festival event sounds great but in practice I think the majority of the membership will bail on anything other than Saturday and, perhaps, Sunday.

You know me, I"ll turn up to the opening of an envelope and a paring down of the schedule isn"t automatically bad (Pub Poker Champs anyone?) but I think 6 event schedule is a cut to far.

I"ll have to look and see what my "ideal minimum" would be.

On the added value, I"ve always treated this a the cherry on top so anything is good with me. The only "problem" I see with the WCOAP passport idea is that you won"t get 6 events in before the WCOAP. Presumably, anything won after the WCOAP would be for the next year?

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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #565 on: February 20, 2012, 16:56:10 PM »

A quick response before I cogitate further.

I don"t have a problem with a 10% reg. fee. I know it would be a real heart-breaker for you to have to implement this but in the current market (viz. sponsorship &/or competition) I don"t see any real alternative.

On the schedule side, I"d have to say that while I think there are, perhaps, too many events over a 12 month period, I think that just 6 weekends (and that"s what it basically breaks down to) is not enough...for me.

APAT has a wonderful product and whilst I can foresee that restricting the number of events will drive up the demand for seats I don"t see that there is any capacity to increase the number of available places at the venues of which I am aware...that will lead to people (at least it seems to me) being disappointed in not getting seats and losing interest.

A festival event sounds great but in practice I think the majority of the membership will bail on anything other than Saturday and, perhaps, Sunday.

You know me, I"ll turn up to the opening of an envelope and a paring down of the schedule isn"t automatically bad (Pub Poker Champs anyone?) but I think 6 event schedule is a cut to far.

I"ll have to look and see what my "ideal minimum" would be.

On the added value, I"ve always treated this a the cherry on top so anything is good with me. The only "problem" I see with the WCOAP passport idea is that you won"t get 6 events in before the WCOAP. Presumably, anything won after the WCOAP would be for the next year?

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There is additional capacity out there compared to what we utilised in season five.  Look at Brighton for example, where we could have had an additional couple of tables.

There is a significant clash with a competing poker tournament in the August bank holiday weekend, so I"m contemplating adding a 4 day (therefore we would miss out all of the day 1 activity elsewhere) ECOAP festival at that time, with the WCOAP moving to the end of the season.

Two visits to DTD would also increase capacity considerably also.

All still a work in progress....





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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #566 on: February 20, 2012, 16:58:40 PM »
Reg fee.. like most I feel will say, go for it. If it helps APAT continue and grow even better.

I personally find it tough to play every 4 weeks, but whatever APAT decides go for it!

Added value to the WCOAP is a cracking idea and I love the thought!
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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #567 on: February 20, 2012, 16:58:54 PM »
I"m surprised we"ve got away with no reg fees for so long.

As for the scheduling, not everyone plays every event. There were 11 events in season 5, three of which were the Home Championships, Pub Teams, Forum Teams - if we go to six events will those three be scrapped as they were not strictly "open" to all ?

Re the prizes, I"d like to see them remain as they are. What would happen if a winner couldn"t attend the WCOAP ?
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Re: Season 6 Discussion
« Reply #568 on: February 20, 2012, 17:06:24 PM »
I have no issue with a reg fee, though you do lose the headline "no-reg fee" from APAT. Depends how important that is - however if it"s at the expense of growth then I think almost everyone would be behind a reg fee. Doesn"t have to be 10%, say £75+5. That"s obviously cheap and would compare well vs other offerings.

I"d agree with Paulie that six events is a little on the low side - not much more than that would be perfect though. I strongly believe APAT should champion itself and especially the WCOAP - if this can be extended to (fewer) Nationals then I"m all for that too. English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Worlds, Forum and International Team events, plus one European event (is it possible APAT could try and build a new user base in one European country and focus on that?). 8 or 9 would seem a happy medium.

Packages to the WCOAP would be nice, but you are then almost forcing people to take time off work and perhaps play a game they"re not familiar with - I"d personally prefer a GPS or a UKIPT (but that"s probably because I"d buy into the Worlds anyway). Perhaps a condition of the added value is that said winner provides APAT with a report of the trip. Obviously can"t police it, but a nice article detailing person x"s bigger buy in experience on the front page would be good.
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« Reply #569 on: February 20, 2012, 17:11:59 PM »
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