JJ in late position

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UTG $9710 raises to 262 - his second raise of the tourney. HEM Says 63 hands, VPIP 10% Raised 5%
Me $7198 calls with  jd jc - I don"t know why I didn"t raise here. Possibly because the HEM stats slowed me down?
button and blinds fold

Pot 674
Flop  :: td kd

UTG checks
I check behind, again I don"t know why I did this. I gave UTG such a tight range for his raise UTG and yet, without the stats from the HUD I"d for sure be betting here. I"d bet it live without a strong live tell or knowledge

Turn  
again check check - I"m still paralysed by the fear that I"m going to get check raised or some such and loathing my life on a board that I really ought to be more than happy with

River  

UTG bets 674 - half pot...

I"ve butchered this completely thus far but I have to call don"t I?



ID for UTG may influence responses so is withheld for now. I didn"t know him/her nor have any history to refer to.

[AMRN]

Despite your lack of historic info, you still have something to help put together a range for him....   Given he has played tight thus far, you can probably discount AJ/KQ/QJ type marginal hands for an UTG raise.  You can certainly include TT+.  His small raise may also be his way of entering a pot in EP with a small pair - some people won"t open limp in any circumstance.

So - he checked the K hi flop, but might be trapping with AK/AA. Would he really check again on the turn, particularly as the board got wetter.... surely time for a bet to make you pay for any diamond draw you may have?  So, possibly discount AK/AA.    So that leaves all small pairs, and QQ.  If he had hit a set, is he really likely to check it twice - particularly with the diamond on the turn? I would discount a set for same reason as I discount AA/AK.

That means his range could be as narrow as QQ or a small pair that has not improved.

Also, you"re hand is hugely under-represented. Easy call.

[deanp27]

Pre is fine, flop is ok. I"d bet the turn though and not sure you can do anything but call now

[thinsy147]

Don"t think of it as played badly... More just played differently!!!  

Easy call, if you lose you can be thankful you got away cheaply. If you win you can use this info to collet more chips in the future!!

Although, I think you are winning!

[PHIL_TC]

Wish I didnt already know the answer here, but definitely calling the river, would have raised pre for sure though.. and I suspect you would normally Dave regardless of HEM stats x

[deanp27]

So for those that want to 3bet pre vs an utg supposedly tight open, what do you if you get 4bet?

[AMRN]

So for those that want to 3bet pre vs an utg supposedly tight open, what do you if you get 4bet?

Would much rather 3-bet pre with 67s.    JJ has way too much equity to risk having to lay it down to a 4-bet.... it"s a hand to play post rather than pre (against a tight UTG raiser), imo

[deanp27]

Well I wouldn"t 3bet 67s either......

[PHIL_TC]

So for those that want to 3bet pre vs an utg supposedly tight open, what do you if you get 4bet?

Been posted before I think... but still makes me smile  

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP9CBtSW0kA[/youtube]

x

[PHIL_TC]

So for those that want to 3bet pre vs an utg supposedly tight open, what do you if you get 4bet?

So you wouldnt 3 bet in late position, what would you 3 bet with? or As?

Personally I would 3 bet here 100% in position. Would rather 3 bet and then play the streets aggresively than check down and let them get there.

[George2Loose]

All seems fine to me. WP

[deanp27]

So for those that want to 3bet pre vs an utg supposedly tight open, what do you if you get 4bet?

So you wouldnt 3 bet in late position, what would you 3 bet with? or As?

Personally I would 3 bet here 100% in position. Would rather 3 bet and then play the streets aggresively than check down and let them get there.

I probably 3bet a reasonably high amount generally, for someone playing APAT. However 3betting and putting all my 70bbs in pre vs a tight utg open is unlikely to see me in good shape. 3betting and folding seems a real waste too. Flatting in position keeps in his dominated hands and hides the strength of our holding and is easily best here IMO.

Yes we have jacks in late position, but we face an utg open. I will probably flat queens and Ak here to fwiw

[TheSnapper]

So for those that want to 3bet pre vs an utg supposedly tight open, what do you if you get 4bet?

So you wouldnt 3 bet in late position, what would you 3 bet with? or As?

Personally I would 3 bet here 100% in position. Would rather 3 bet and then play the streets aggresively than check down and let them get there.

For lots on whether to 3 bet or not, read this thread

[Swinebag]

Don"t think this is butchered at all. I play it the same way pre and post flop. Maybe betting the turn is better than checking back. Given how little you have now invested and that you are so under repped, I"m pretty sure you call the river bet.

[TheSnapper]

Flatting pre is fine with  jd jc.

On the  :: td kd flop, its quite a wet flop and there are"nt any hands in his range that will call a bet, of the hands that missed the flop, AJ, AQ have gssd and 1 over and likely fold, qd never folds and is a 55/45 favourite versus  jd jc

On the :: td kd turn, we can squeeze some value now from AJ+ any diamond combos which now have gssd and fd. These hands can call a bet and folding them out is ok for us too since we steal their considerable 33% equity when they fold. A bet of 350+ denies villain the correct odds to call. These hands cannot call a bet on the river unless they get there so you can only extract value with a must bet on the turn.

As played you have to call the river bet but will sometimes pay off the two outer"d 66,77 and sometimes a well played KQ.